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10/21/2021 2:50:12 PM
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Just to point out Prophecy wasn't tied to the season but was released with the season for free. I think they will release another dungeon for free when or if Prophecy gets vaulted. One thing I would like to add though is that these dungeons which we usually would not get otherwise are most likely going to have new unique gear to obtain as well as an armour set. Then they also have master modes planned for increased difficulty and adept versions of the weapons.
I think they decided to ship dungeons with expansions because they had barely to no exclusive loot with Pit only having the Pulse Rifle and Ship/Ghost can't remember and Shattered Throne having a ship I think? I personally got the Deluxe Edition + 30th Anniversary for £25 less than the asking price, but it being only £27 more than Beyond Light Deluxe seems kind of fine to me with the extra content they provide for that amount. 3 dungeons with 2 or all 3 having master modes and some new cosmetics to collect.
To me personally I don't see an issue with what they are asking since they are as what people asked for charging more and offering more, I do however think they should've tied the dungeons to the seasons rather than individual purchases if you don't get deluxe.
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What if they dont have unique gear? No dungeon to date has had any really unique gear. Shattered throne didnt have any gear in it LOL. It was mainly used for Wishender. Pit of Heresy literally had the same gear as the moon. It was all shared because Bungie is too lazy to add unique gear for a dungeon. Then Prophecy had a new armor set, which is cool, but they threw in recycled -blam!- guns like Death Adder and Hoosegow HAHA. Hoosegow. As if. So who’s to say these dungeons dont just have recycled guns in them? Or d1 guns? Whos to say they arent small dungeons with only 1 or 2 proper encounters? Are they big like Shattered Throne? Or are they glorified strikes? Are they tied to the story? Theyre asking for money for dungeons without any actual context. We need to know if they are fully fleshed out with 3 major encounters and actual unique gear.
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Prophecy was trials gear wasn't it?
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Bearbeitet von xbroggiex: 10/21/2021 4:06:59 PMThey probably won't give the specifics for what the dungeons will entail until its about to be released. But it would be the most stupid business decision ever to sell new dungeons without unique gear and the dungeons being smaller than a free dungeon. That and its very unlikely for the guns to be D1 guns as they won't thematically fit with the dungeon, for instance Thorn themed armor and D1 weapons do fit around the concept of a Loot Cave dungeon. But if you had a dungeon set in the Deep Stone Crypt for example a gun like Keystone wouldn't fit thematically with it. But considering the track record there is no reason to think that these dungeons would be smaller than other dungeons in terms of encounters and with the anniversary dungeon have unique but not new gear then we could assume at the minimum the same for the future dungeons anyway which I don't really mind as long as the weapons fit the theme and some of them are good.
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We only have the other dungeons to base our opinions on. In that case, we can easily assume that they will not have any brand new weapons in them, and they may not even have a full armor set. You're giving Bungie the benefit of the doubt, which is odd at this point. They don't reward the player properly EVER. Just because the dungeons are sold separately doesn't mean they will be full of unique gear. I would not for a second put it past Bungie to release dungeons without a ton of brand new gear in them. I also wouldn't doubt if the gear in them is trash, considering if the guns are good people will whine about this being a pay to win game. So you should expect for the perk combinations to be borderline useless.
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Considering that Prophecy and the Anniversary dungeon have unique armour sets you can assume this will be the new normal for dungeons going forward especially when you have to pay for them. This also extends to other cosmetics as well, so with previous dungeons we can expect these future dungeons to have at least one or two of the following cosmetics being a ship, sparrow and ghost. Also, and emblem from solo flawless which is the main thing I care about tbh. If there is no solo flawless emblem then its gonna be pretty dire for the actual dungeon itself at that point. [quote]I also wouldn't doubt if the gear in them is trash, considering if the guns are good people will whine about this being a pay to win game. So you should expect for the perk combinations to be borderline useless.[/quote] This could apply to literally any expansion especially Beyond Light that has Stasis. Even then all previous dungeons have interesting perk combinations on the weapons they do award. Pit of Heresy has a very decent void Pulse Rifle especially since its a High Impact. Prophecy had very decently rolled reissued weapons at launch and now has even arguably better decently rolled reissued Nine weapons. So to say they would have bad perk combinations is a pretty long reach especially when previous dungeons would say otherwise, they still could have bad perk combinations but not for every single weapon.
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Bearbeitet von Sohsuh: 10/21/2021 4:22:18 PMProphecy is free to all players, which is why it has good roll combinations. But when it first released, it had absolute trash gear in it. The anniversary pack's armor is also sold separately. It isn't apart of the dungeon. That is why the anniversary pack costs an INSANE amount almost as much as the base Witch Queen. You're literally paying for an Eververse armor set in that pack. So, since we can assume based off the deluxe pack that the dungeons will not be the same price as the Anniversary pack dungeon, we shouldn't automatically assume that they have armor sets in them. You're sitting here with faith in Bungie which is hilarious at this point. Have you not been around very long? I wouldn't be surprised if these dungeons only had 2 encounters and 3 reprised Destiny 2 guns in them, honestly. Maximum profits, minimal effort. That is their motto.
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Bearbeitet von xbroggiex: 10/21/2021 4:32:42 PM[quote]But when it first released, it had absolute trash gear in it.[/quote] That's an opinion, but Death Adder? IKELOS SG? Hell even the IKELOS HC has some pretty decent rolls for endgame content if you run a warmind cell build. [quote]The anniversary pack's armor is also sold separately. It isn't apart of the dungeon. That is why the anniversary pack costs an INSANE amount almost as much as the base Witch Queen. You're literally paying for an Eververse armor set in that pack.[/quote] That's just plain wrong unless you are talking about the 2 ornament sets specifically which are not the thorn armour set. With the Anniversary pack you get... 2 ornament armour sets for each class. 1 thorn armour set that drops from the Loot Cave dungeon So that's already 3 armour sets from the Anniversary pack. 1 of which is tied to the dungeon, then a mix of other cosmetics like 4 emotes, 2 exotic sparrows, ship, emblems and shaders which are either tied to some challenges in the dungeon or from other reward sources. Then you add Gjallarhorn and the other weapons that will drop from the dungeon. [quote]I wouldn't be surprised if these dungeons only had 2 encounters and 3 reprised Destiny 2 guns in them, honestly.[/quote] An assumption with no previous evidence to assume in any capacity that is what will be given other than "uhhh... but it might happen!". Which is not a good enough argument to make that assumption.
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Death adder and ikelos? So more old gear.
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For a free dungeon? Yeah, don't expect them to give you brand new gear.
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Why though? Like why is this the mindstate of Destiny players? Doesn't Eververse fund anything? Do you know how insane it is to think it's too much to ask for lets say 1 single new gun in some free dungeon? Like god forbid Bungie creates 1 single new unique weapon for a brand new dungeon. It's free, but let's be real here. It was free because Season of the Worthy was SUCH TRASH that they had to do SOMETHING so that the players didn't abandon the game at that time. Worthy had a -blam!- public event in it and that's it. They literally had to give us something good and making it free was the cherry on top to keep us from quitting the game entirely.
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They gave you a free armour set. What Eververse funds is quite... vague but I assume its funding the reprised raid we are getting next year, as well as any other free content that is released.
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Eververse makes 300 mil per year and we can't get a new weapon made for a dungeon? Clearly Destiny is funding their other game. I don't even think that's debatable at this moment. This game gets literally no real updates to it. Crucible, strikes, and Gambit, which are considered CORE modes are left basically untouched. The price of Forsaken is the same as Beyond Light/Witch Queen, yet they don't even have remotely close to the amount of content that Forsaken had. How does that make sense? If we are getting 1/3 of the content of Forsaken, shouldn't the price be lower? Yet the price is increasing and now they are cutting content out and charging extra. How does any of this make sense to anyone in the right mind?
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Bearbeitet von xbroggiex: 10/21/2021 10:39:06 PMCrucible and Gambit being untouched I'll agree on... but strikes? Nah, I don't think so. But yeah the pricing is really dumb I agree and they really need to fix older expansions prices and having bundles including multiple expansions or if its really that problematic just copy WoW and make every thing but the latest 2 expansions F2P. But to get back to the dungeon I think they could've added some new weapons to Prophecy instead of just reprising gear but I think this was at a time where sunsetting was still on the table so they wanted to reissue a few weapons so people can keep some of their favourite weapons for a bit longer before they disappeared. Mostly the IKELOS weapons because they were tied to Warmind cell builds and those mods only released the season before Arrivals.
