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1/9/2020 10:10:22 PM
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So you do realize we already have a choice between SBMM and CBMM right? It is called [b][u]CLASSIC MIX[/u][/b]. Classic mix is a option in the PvP menu that is basically QP before SK but it is CBMM instead of SBMM. I just do not get it Destiny 2 already has a option for CBMM but you lot are not choosing it for reasons. Literally the only difference between classic mix and the rest of the pvp menu is classic mode doesn't have a weekly game mode.
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[quote]So you do realize we already have a choice between SBMM and CBMM right? It is called [b][u]CLASSIC MIX[/u][/b]. Classic mix is a option in the PvP menu that is basically QP before SK but it is CBMM instead of SBMM. I just do not get it Destiny 2 already has a option for CBMM but you lot are not choosing it for reasons. Literally the only difference between classic mix and the rest of the pvp menu is classic mode doesn't have a weekly game mode.[/quote] Classic Mix still isn’t pure CBMM. It runs an in game MM algorithm that’s just broken. Putting me against 3 unbrokens w/2 kds and my team all made up of .5 players that forgot to turn on their monitors. Happened way too often. It’s the one of the main reasons Ppl quit running solo altogether.
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While I agree that there is technically a “choice” if you want CBMM you are funneled into classic. Sometimes I want to play 3v3 or only play a certain gamemode. I think it’d be fair for both sides to have equal choice.
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WHERE WAS THIS ARGUMENT FROM YOU LAST YEAR WHILE YOU COMPLAINED EVERYTIME A SBMM POST FROM SOLS WAS UP ABOUT IT?!?! YOU HAD 4 SBMM PLAYLISTS SO BY THIS LOGIC YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE COMPLAINED THEN
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The only people playing classic mix are the sweats going in to stomp. Have you ever played classic mix? I tried. Sweatier than the entirety of ranked. The main mode on the director is control, and most people pick that one, none of the casual players ever go into classic. The reason people want connection based matchmaking is to have a casual mode. Low stakes where they don't have to sweat their balls off to have even a 1% chance at winning.
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So they want cbmm so they only have to play less skilled players. Seems fairly obvious that that’s exactly why virtually everyone with a brain prefers sbmm
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Ding. winner. And he’s mad that the weak players aren’t being forced to show up. Because they actually have a choice.
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I don't want to fight less skilled players, I want to fight players who take off their not forgottens/one eyed masks/errentils/pick whatever screwy meta weapon or armor piece fits in this slot, because when they do that, I CAN DO THE SAME THING. If you read my replies on this post I think I made that pretty clear.
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[quote] I want to fight players who take off their not forgottens/one eyed masks/errentils/pick whatever screwy meta weapon or armor piece fits in this slot[/quote] But that's not what generally happens in Classic. People run uber-meta loadouts to keep their KD above normal levels.
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I know, and there were people who did that with cbmm back in y2, but the majority didn't. Classic mix has become the strawman that everybody can point to when talking about how much cbmm sucks, but it sucks for far more reasons than just that.
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The majority did. Your blinded by your own ambition. So it's not a strawman argument, it was and is the reality of the cbmm Playlist. High-level players just don't want to see what's right in front of them.
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I know the majority of players are close to a 1 lifetime k/d, with most swinging to be a little bit less. Wouldn't exactly make sense if the MAJORITY was statfarming people. At most I saw 2 or 3 per match, unless it was a six stack, in which case it was all of them, but six stacks didn't make up the majority either. I remember year 2, and the problem was never that EVERYBODY was using luna's or nf, it was that there would be a few people using it and they would always do better. The same for most other meta picks.
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You're misreading me. High level players are not rhe majority. That's clear. However, all it takes is the presence of 1 or 2 hign level players (at minimum) to skew the skill balance of a match. Never mind when a stack does it. Look, simply take a look at what happened last year in QP. Do you think it's simply coincidence that the I ly people really left playing QP were high level players? They chased everyone else out and now....the real majority of players still want nothing to do with cbmm. So in the end...it doesn't matter if the majority of high level players were the farmers, it was enough to drive people away and never look back. The rest of the high level [u]altruists[/u] have their anger directed at the wrong people for ruining the cbmm Playlist because it was their own tier of players that did it. Pinnacles were a whole other problem in that there came at a time where the grind for them was only truly accessible by no-lifers. The average player took too long to get them and they were too OP to fight against. That's why Bungie replaced the idea of pinnacles.
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I played plenty of people back in y2, even in LATE y2, that weren't just statfarming. At least in my case, the experience remained relatively consistent the entire time. I was playing decent each match, sometimes some people came in and stomped, sometimes my team stomped, and on the off day, I would do really bad or end up stomping myself. Granted, it's entirely possible that my experience differs so much from everyone elses simply because I think of myself as being average due to my experience of playing rather average, while in reality the game was just keeping me in my tiers well, because there was still light sbmm in quickplay back in y2, it was just mostly connection based. Which means at this point, I'm going to probably have to end up changing my argument from "sbmm is bad in general" to "sbmm is good at doing it's job for the majority but hurts certain groups of players just for being at their skill tier." Basically, it was more complex than I was willing to give it credit for, and I am willing to admit that there is a good chance I am wrong here after hearing a variety of different replies. More and more times I keep hearing things about the kind of matches people got in the crucible and it's becoming clear that I was not getting the same type of matches as them, and that's probably why this argument is happening anyways. I actually thought I was on the level of an average player until I started comparing my actual stats to that of others for the sake of argument a few minutes ago here, and seeing percentiles. The fact that the game somehow managed to put me in so many matches where I felt like I was average while very clearly being in a higher percentile kind of scares me honestly. Maybe bungie's matchmaking is better than we give it credit for.
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It seems that you are starting to see things from other people's perspective and you are considering the differences. If only a handful of other people were as willing to see it that way. Seems ego plays a big part. Most pro-cbmm people are very condescending towards anyone less skilled than them. You felt you were average but I think your perception of [u]average[/u] may have simply meant (I die more than I think I should so I must not be a pvp God). More than likely your simply an above average player who's just having fun. Should there be a place for high level players where they don't have to sweat every game? Sure...but I think playing at the level is not something people can just turn off. Even if they're not using meta or pinnacle. Finding an environment that is [u]chill[/u] for them is not an easy task.
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This is why I like to get on the forums, It's very easy for people to get locked into their own little world, even if they're trying to be open minded. There have been a few times here where I've essentially been forced into realizing "Oh wait, there's a very easy to understand factor here that may or may not be the reason why there is such a disconnect going on, and I'm probably wrong in some capacity because of it." And yeah, it's definitely not an easy task to find high level players a place to be chill, and it may never be something that we get in destiny's lifespan, but it just sucks that those players are being deprived of that option for the sake of everyone else. I see why it has to happen, and I agree that it does have to happen, it just sucks for the people who get the short end of that stick.
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Just stop using nf and Erentil. It’s that simple. Stop blaming others for your choices. You all talk about how you desperately need to play against less skilled players so that you don’t have to sweat every match and use your best guns. None of you ever choose to do so. Just go play for fun. You’ll lose but so what. If losing is what you’re worried about clearly you do want to play less skilled players to have easy wins and easy kills.
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[quote]Just go play for fun. You’ll lose but so what. If losing is what you’re worried about clearly you do want to play less skilled players to have easy wins and easy kills.[/quote] But Galt!! What about their KDeeeeee!!!???
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[quote]If losing is what you’re worried about clearly you do want to play less skilled players to have easy wins and easy kills.[/quote] [i]Ladies and Gentlemen, we HAVE a winnah..........[/i]
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I'm not worried about losing. Losing is fine. The PROBLEM, is getting shitstomped by the people who keep using the meta anyway because skill based matchmaking is active. This is exactly what -blam!-ing happened in d1, and it pissed everybody off so much that bungie removed skill based matchmaking entirely, and then somehow people complained enough to get it put back in, and I'm losing my goddamn mind at how inane this entire cycle of ruining the crucible is.
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[quote]people who keep using the meta anyway because skill based matchmaking is active[/quote] I see less Meta in SBMM than CBMM. At least up until higher level Fable and up.
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Then take them off. The game doesn’t owe you success just because you want to buck the meta.
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I DON"T WANT SUCCESS. I DONT WANT TO STOMP. I want a challenge, that's why I play comp. That's why I'm trying to get to legend, but casual pvp isn't exactly a new concept, and there is no good mode to play casual, no good mode to go somewhere that isn't a sweatfest. It's been in so many games, HALO had it. Destiny had it. WE CURRENTLY DO NOT. That is what my problem is.
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[quote]That's why I'm trying to get to legend[/quote] You can't get to Legend by playing 'casual'.
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Quite aware. It's why I would prefer if there was a casual playlist that existed, because all I have is sweaty playlists.
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You can't get to legend withiigh playing sweaty. Is that more clear? In any scenario getting that high in the ranks is going to be sweaty. You're being terribly unrealistic.
