Well they were kind of a looter/shooter until BL3 came out and just made what they offer look awful by comparison. Now they're trying to call themselves an MMO, but yeah I look at games like ESO and just chuckle at that comparison. It's the Wal-mart of FPS/MMO's. It has a bit of everything, and it's a great value. But it doesn't do anything exceptionally well. Other than the gunplay itself, that's what holds it all together. They don't really know what this game is and they're afraid to really drive in one solid direction for fear of ticking off a portion of the player base. Except grind, the one thing they've all agreed on is that the game needs to be grindy.