I agree and disagree about hip fire perk. It is somewhat useless on mid to long range weapons in pve situations. But in pvp situations hip fire can come in super handy. Let's say you are aiming down sights, targeting a mid to long range opponent, and unless you are using a hunter with knucklehead equipped, you can't see the radar, and are unaware of guy who just flanked you, and is now up in your grill. Now you can attempt to switch your weapon to your close quarters energy weapon, and attempt to kill him. Or as long as you have enough ammo, you can hip fire your scout or pulse into his head, and perhaps survive. Personally, I run a Bygones and a sniper, so rarely do I switch to the sniper in those instances, so hip fire accuracy comes in handy. Although, there is no better feeling than occasionally hip firing your sniper at close range and getting that ohk. Of course, a message accusing you of cheating often follows matches where you pull off multiple hip fire sniper kills, lol.

The thing is though, you could list any weapon right now where you say hip-fire grip is helpful. On any of those weapons, you would be better off with snapshot sights because the difference between hip and ads accuracy is just that big. Now, without snapshot sights and in the exact situation you described, yeah, hip-fire grip would help more than not existing. But being able to instantly ads would be even better [i]currently[/i]. That's why I think they should buff perks like hip-fire grip, or if not a buff to the perk, at least stop putting them on guns that basically live or die off of ads.

True, true. I never run knucklehead, and am very radar aware, so for close, quick engagements I still prefer hip firing. But to be honest, I don't have improved hip firing on my Bygones. I have range finder, and under pressure. With the masterwork range. Love the gun, and they way it feels. And now with it at 700, don't have to worry about any more infusions until next season. But I had a decent auto fire, hip fire Go Figure, prior to my Bygones, and it was mighty fun and useful too.

I'll admit I've never saved any precision or long-range weapons with hip fire. I try to play in such a way that I either keep range and leverage my kinetic to be at an advantage, and if someone breaks through and attempts to rush me, I've got shotgun rounds saved up to contest them. Maybe I ought to give a hip-fire grip weapon a shot, but I'm so used to the reliability of ads it'd be a hard transition for me.