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12/6/2018 5:11:06 PM
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Wheres your proof? A theory is nothing without it.
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The darkness is clearly in some other space as evidenced by what happens when something is taken destiny often works with many timelines and universes so it’s not out of the question also the sword logic is the fate of the universe it’s not specific to the darkness
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[quote]The darkness is clearly in some other space as evidenced by what happens when something is taken I was talking about the sword logic being a multiverse law, as we can see the hive have to actually work to bring it into reality. If it was a law then they would be able to model the universe very easily like in their throne worlds. destiny often works with many timelines Yes the multiverse theory. With the vex we see this. and universes so it’s not out of the question also the sword logic is the fate of the universe it’s not specific to the darkness[/quote] Show me qoutes saying the sword logic isnt something that the darkness calls to. Because yes gurdians use sword logic in the sword space the powers gurdians use in the real world Is not sword logic. Sword logic is merely a device to gain more power to enforce your will on the universe and the darkness is the end of the universe itself. Calus seen it and knows the darkness is what will end everything.
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But he sword logic is a constant a universal one and there is no reason the light cannot follow it as well
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Show me proof it is. Because only gurdians and hive have shown the use of sword logic. Even tho Guardians go against it. Sword logic demands that you take power via killing. Guardians go against that. Guardians use more of their logic. They give and through giving they grow. If sword logic was law in reality. Killing makes you stronger. This is what powers hive magic. Its law in the hive Netherworld but not so much in reality. The hive kill to grow stronger. Which is sword logic. Kill. Take what you want. Never give. Gurdians self sacrifice, they give and grow strong. [b][/b]
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But that guardians do it is proof it works for the light making my theory work
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Gurdians are not proof. They defy the rules of sword logic. Look at the worm gods. The gave power and in doing that they were weakened because they gave. The sword logic demands that you take never give. Gurdians give and in doing that they grow stronger. Also theres ther bomb logic. The killing logic and xol's logic. Which yes is a version of sword logic but it goes against the laws. Also gurdians are powered by the light which Is a reality warpering force.
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“a perfect, undying creation, a civilization everlasting” this suggests the traveler could do this to become the final perfect shape
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“existence begins to define itself.” That is why the sword logic is
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The traveler is also described as a “cosmic parasite”
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“Existence is the struggle to exist. Only by playing that game to its final, unconditional victory” Victory regardless of conditions be you of the light dark or void or non
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Another quote to support the light using civilizations to become the final shape is “It is a pawn of the Sky, a philosophy of cosmic slavery.”
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The leviathan also says “this fatal logic” in response to xi to threatening genocide And says that “the sky builds new life against the onset of ruin towards a gentle ruin” maybe its goal is to fill the universe with its creations and so become the final shape or the the shape that lingers under all things
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As well as “ sky builds gentle places safe for life beloved fundament refuge of millions the sky treasures this rich place.” I think it’s not unreasonable for the sky to have a motive for doing this relating to the sword logic
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[quote]As well as “ sky builds gentle places safe for life beloved fundament refuge of millions the sky treasures this rich place.” I think it’s not unreasonable for the sky to have a motive for doing this relating to the sword logic[/quote] [quote]“Akka my God, Worm of Secrets. I am Auryx, sole king of the Hive. I have come to receive a secret. I want the secret power of the Deep, which you hold.” “I give no secrets,” said Akka, whose voice was code. “No,” said Auryx,[b] “you give nothing. Giving is for the Sky. You worship the Deep, which asks that we take what we need.”[/b] [b]Akka said nothing, because if it denied this truth, the truth might become false.[/b] [/quote] [quote]++We live on the edge of a war— —a war between Formless and Form++ ++between the Deep and the Sky— ++MY EYES ARE WIDE, MY GAZE IS LONG++ —[quote]Across the universe, as far as I see++ ++the Sky works to charge its fires— —and the Deep drowns the ash++ —Sky builds gentle places, safe for life++ ++Beloved Fundament, refuge of trillions— —The Sky treasures this rich place++ —BUT THE DEEP IS HERE WITH US— ++Cold logic tests our walls— —The Deep claims its dominion++ ++A ruthless, final age[/quote] —[/quote] [quote]++This fatal logic++ —Hear my monopole scream!— ++It will consume you++ [b]—Before you lies— ++The worship of death++ —The ruinous path— ++The Sky builds new life++ —Against the onset of ruin— ++Towards a gentle world++ —The Deep embraces death— ++Saying: this is inevitable and right++ —I exist as hungry ruin— [/b] ++TURN BACK FROM THE WORLD-KILLING WAY++ ++OR YOU WILL LIVE AS DEATH AND DEVASTATION++[/quote] The sky does not use sword logic like the deep, the sky builds and the deep kills. Sword logic, it killing, it is taking and never giving. This is the path of the deep and the deep embodies the sword logic but the sky is the opposite. It builds, creates golden ages and more. [quote]But you are armed to respond in kind. Savathûn’s mothers have listened carefully to our teachings. We will not give you the Deep, King Auryx — that power is for us, your gods. But we will teach you to call upon that force with signs and rituals. Small minds might call it magic. [/quote] Literary the sword logic is the path of the deep itself. The lore says itself. Gurdians may use sword logic but they are not owned by it they can give and grow.
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The sword logic is not to kill that is the hive and darkness interpretation it’s truly the idea that the strong define their own existence and become mighty by doing so it is also the idea of working to become the final shape all that is left ruler of the universe The traveler gives power and with that power an age is built an age that is safe, that power is used to kill and build and so anything done with it is factored as part of existence under the light so if the light gives its power to build and spread and by doing so consume the universe in what the light has given us to use therefor all that is left is the light and its creations so it lingers under every shape and is so the only final shape
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[quote]The sword logic is not to kill that is the hive and darkness interpretation it’s truly the idea that the strong define their own existence and become mighty by doing so it is also the idea of working to become the final shape all that is left ruler of the universe Sword logic is about death. The deep embodies that, Tons of evidence showing that. there are different versions of sword logic. Yes, but it's all still is surrounded by death. Sword logic asks that you kill to gain power. The deep is the queen of final shapes. It is sword logic. Sword logic is away to gain power through killing. We have seen this time and time again in the lore. The traveler gives power and with that power an age is built an age that is safe, that power is used to kill and build and so anything done with it is factored as part of existence under the light so if the light gives its power to build and spread and by doing so consume the universe in what the light has given us to use therefor all that is left is the light and its creations so it lingers under every shape and is so the only final shape[/quote] The traveler gives. Yes makes life better but it never asks that you kill. You kill to defend not conquer. The sky isnt apart of the final shape. The deep is that. Gurdians are the first things the traveler has made with paracausal powers. Even then gurdians have free will. Look at the warlords,shadows etc. The sky uses building logic. If anything, just like maras bomb logic. Also the light and dark are connected, two of the same coin. Darkness will always exist as long as the light does. The taken are apart of the final shape. Which is the darkness. https://youtu.be/ScWgznmtR4Y https://youtu.be/LnubEnJGWIA Heres some videos.
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But as I interpret it the final shape is inevitable
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[quote]But as I interpret it the final shape is inevitable[/quote] I'm looking at this with lore and logic. We have proof they are connected. When the traveler fell. So did the ships, a blast of light and dark. They beaten each other. They are equal. The deep is the finale shape. You sound like calus. He believes the deep has already won. The end of everything. [spoiler]"In the darkness, light shines more brightly, and where light shines, it casts a shadow." —Ulan-Tan[/spoiler] There can not be darkness without light.
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The traveler used its power to drive back the darkness it wasn’t as I interpret it the balance of the universe
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Bearbeitet von Ghost593835: 12/6/2018 9:29:30 PMTheres a that shows Ulan-Tan was right. [quote]"To have Light, we must have Dark. This is the symmetry of the Universe." —Controversial Warlock Ulan-Tan I propose a simple experiment—look around. You see light. You see darkness. There could not be one without the other. They are two sides of the same coin. If it is true for these Newtonian echoes, why would it not be true of the purest, paracausal forms? Therefore, I conclude: the reason you persecute me is not because of the symmetry. It's because of the truth beyond this truth, the truth which you most dread: if we could destroy darkness, but we had to give up our Light to do so, how many of us would make that trade? an[/quote] Therefore, if Light connects across space and time, what is the Void? What role does the vacuum—the absence—play? What stops the Darkness from entering into the places between the stars? The answer is simple: the Void is just another type of Light." —Ulan-Tan
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But what proof have I just been offered none
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Let's see When the traveler awoke up, so did the darkness. When the traveler fell so did the darkness. They both hurt one another in the battle of earth. That's my proof.
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But the battle of earth isn’t proof a hurt predator will go back to its den to lick its wounds as for the ships maybe they didn’t know where the traveler was but know they do
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Bearbeitet von Ghost593835: 12/6/2018 10:28:53 PMSure. But only time will tell. Also those ships were at earth, I dont see why they cant just follow the hive to the traveler.
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We don’t know that
