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12/28/2017 6:43:37 PM
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Player Feedback: The Dawning

Hello all, Since the Dawning went live, we've been watching the conversation and recording your feedback. I'd like to give a short list of items that have been noted. This list is not prioritized in any fashion, but a quick representation of trending topics throughout the community: [quote][b]• Eververse • Mayhem • Vault Space • Endgame - Strikes, Raids, Item Collection • Crucible - Gametypes, Team sizes • Sandbox Balancing - Exotics weapons and armor • Three of Coins • Curse of Osiris: Weapons Forge Questing • [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/240613535?sort=0&page=0]Masterworks and Weapon/Armor Modifications[/url][/b] [/quote] That said, keep it coming. When we return to full force in 2018, details will be shared on the feedback that was collected and how we'll look to address it. Cheers, -dmg04
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  • Bungo, This comes from a place of love and not hate. However, this community will eat you alive if you let it. I’ve noticed that destiny 2’s loot box system is different than any other lootbox system as you can only get the items by “chance” and not just collect enough token currency to just buy them, in rainbow six siege and call of duty ww2, the lootboxes can still be bought but the rewards can also be bought individually whenever and not based weekly resets or the lootboxes themselves. You guys are probably never going to get rid of them despite the outcry of them, you can at least fix it for the better. Second being open and transparent is something that will earn respect from players. If making content is hard, just ask us!! Ask me! Or even content creators!!The community has more than enough ideas to help. Also release content when its ready, if you guys need more time, although I don’t know what guidelines are set by activision but the community would rather wait on good content than rushed, half assed work. We can tell when it is that and not a finished product. Your content creators represent the games morale, and you can feel it in the tone in their voices that they’re losing that spark, listen to their feedback and opinions, even outside opinions. Take inspiration from other games too! The successes and failures of other games you guys can learn from A personal critique of pvp and pve, after playing mayhem I realized the sped up frenetic pace is something destiny 2 was lacking, a scaled back mayhem in all modes could liven up the game, with faster recharge rates in abilities, it’s also fun knowing you can use abilities to survive 2v1 encounters, something I missed in destiny 1. In PvE Mercury is lacking any depth and exploration, it feels like a puddle compared to other social spaces, you can’t even use a sparrow! But you can drive interceptors! There’s also a lost potential in the Infinite Forest that you guys could do. Make a PvE space similar to archon’s forge or Prison of Elders. It is such a simple idea but you guys miss the thought somehow. The mechanic of getting a key and going into the gate to fight in this random generated room full of enemies instead of 3 quests, you could even add new bosses as time goes on. I know the changes for the better will not happen overnight, but you guys should make a good start by fixing eververse and livening up pvp. Rumble is a gamemode I miss in crucible, I’m sure others miss it a lot too. Lastly, do something about your loot, I’m kinda tired of having my postmaster fill up after 3 crucible matches, it’s a huge chore to recycle all of the trash loot we get a lot.

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  • Is it time to just give up on D2 and put all resources into D3? I mean.. scrap the engine that the devs keep complaining about and completely rebuild the game from bottom up? I don’t know? But I am seeing a lot more of the big streamers and youtubers comment that D2 just can’t be fixed, so starting to wonder myself? Also... if the idea was to focus more on smaller, Eververse-central events... why didn’t a team get assigned to SRL and Festival of the Lost? DMG can you get the CEO to do an interview in the BUNGIE twitch studio? We just want to understand why some of the decisions were made and what the plan is going forward? Most of the player base has left.. those of us who are still here actually do love the franchise and haven’t given up hope yet.. but the “we’re listening” stick is not helping your PR problem. Folks want more communication, more doing. Not just listening. We’re here to help you fix it, those of us who stayed.

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    • Here's a suggestion, make the next dlc an expansion of d1. D2 is a miserable failure with no hope of turning back. You took everything that made this game fast paced and fun, and tossed it in the trash. Congrats.

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    • Bearbeitet von Faustus: 1/4/2018 4:15:07 PM
      [b]- Quick Easy Reply to your "Bungie Post " - Non Toxic -I want to help you - Please Read- This will help and go over super well with community - Help @dmg04 [/b] 1. Dawning : You didn't use your Strikes, Adventures , Patrols Crucible to facilitate quest design. Simply shoot this gather that. 2. Eververse : You already know...it has to go. Shaders have to be permanent , and so do transmat effects. Say your removing all the legendary ghosts and sparrows from eververse and you can keep your exotics in eververse. Then re-distribute those legendary sparrows, ghosts, and hell even shaders into actual gameplay behind raids, ADVENTURES, LOST SECTORS , or heroic strikes. 3. Mayhem : Its super fun, please keep it or make it a "game -mode" 4. Vault Space : Need more or infinite storage. Or the ability to "re-buy" or "un-delete" items. This would fix. Implementing a system like "Contact Blizzard , or "In-game ticket", would help support this. 5.Endgame : You already know, we need more. Please make the story matter. Make bosses out of the "Calus's Shadows" . That would be DOPE. 6. Sandbox Balancing : Prometheus lens was fun for the wrong reasons. We need exotics that do crazy shit. They dont just have to have big damage, but crazy stuff nonetheless. "Fun" new gameplay design. Not ..."well your hp goes up a little from 2 -3 kills". 7. Three of coins : Here's an idea, make the three of coins SUPER expensive. Im talking like 65 shards+ , but then make the consumable allow "All exocitcs regardless of what class your playing," and make them guarantee an exotic or give a near 80% chance to drop one, add a cooldown to them, and maybe add a diminishing return of -10% every time one is used for that week. Also make the buff they allot "consumed" and disappear on getting your first exotic drop while active. 8.Curse of Osiris : Weapons Forge questing : It's boring. We hate it. Most of us aren't even doing it. The weapons are not good enough to warrant wasting my time doing these. Ya the Shell at the end and the Saint 14 shotty are fantastic. But the juice is literally not worth the squeeze. Make the guns do "vex" stuff or make them add different particle effects like..."Mini - Exotics" , or make them all "Anti-Vex" guns that have or will add anti vex specific perks. You can fix this whole thing by just making the weapons more badass. LIke alot more...You dont even have to change the grind if the weapons are worth getting. 9. Masterworks and Weapons/Armor modifications : Their not fun , they don't do enough. This isn't what we wanted , it's for sure not as impactful as we thought it would be when it was announced. Make the stats way more exciting in new ways, make the masterworks change more about the gun your using than "+3 bullets" , for [u]dozens [/u]of hours worth grinding. Idea , you could make masterworks either slow down the rate of fire and add damage , or the inverse to any weapon. Idea , you could make the bullets have utility like "mob-tagging" , or "increase damage down by allies on your target". Fun new gameplay thats probably easy to implement. ALSO : PVP and PVE "only" masterworks. helllllo ! That would encourage me to get x2 of the same weapon, and grind for twice the amount of masterworks because of it. Thank you for reading, I've been playing since Alpha, have led 2 clans , and participated in all your raids. I wish you success , and this list was gathered from play testing and an extraordinary amount of player feedback .

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      • Every single comment in this thread is spot on. Bungie, you either need to have a major internal assessment of your goals and aims with destiny or have a discussion with Activision about the future of this game because youre losing the fans. The honest fans from the halo and marathon days, the new fans from destiny. Its a train wreck right now. The community is not stupid and just because its a teen game doesnt mean you can treat us like kids. That includes the voice acting and game dev along side pretending to throw in elusive microtransations mechanics. First ill touch on the story and voice acting. Its kiddish. So childish. Nolan north is a great voice actor, but his talents are so wasted. You make him say the most useless jokes and scare child lines. Why? Just why? Make him say useful things, interesting things that add to the story and get rid of that childish voice. For gods sake. Mature players i think most of us tolerate it. I think we'd like more maturity for sure in the game. For the kids, i think more maturity would be better. Give more interesting things for kids to think about, ponder and explore in the destiny world. Instead of just listening to ghost act like a stupid kid who had his body stolen for a dlc. Really? Microtransactions: Clearly the community has exposed your issues over the last few months and we all know these were planned. You cant lie to us and say that "its not working as we intended" or other excuses. And we are tired of hearing you listen to our feedback. This much feedback should not be needed. At some point, you need to be able to decide for yourselves what is a good decision for the game and a bad one. If you need mommy to hold your hand every step of the way, just quit now. Just stop making this game because people are leaving and its sad to see. Stop relying on us to tell you. This is what game testers get paid for, what you get paid for. We dont pay to play test and give feedback. Treat us with more respect than this. I don't exactly know the culture at bungie anymore, but your content quality is miles away from what the old team used to do. They worked long hours and spent days away from their family for their games and yet the quality was so much better. You should watch your old halo vidocs for some inspiration. There was a line from one i remember from one vidoc pretty well. About making a good shooter game. Making that good, fun game isnt about the mission or the story alone or just content, its about the feel. 5 seconds honestly determimes the fate of a game. If you can't nail the 5 seconds of a shooter encounter, its boring. That encounter has several aspects: why am i going to shoot something, what to i want, and does it feel good. From what i feel, destiny 1 actually did this better than D2. So youve gone backwards, not to mention removing 90% of features from D1. And now youre trying to sell it back to us in D2? I enjoy seeing these old exotics, but it upsets me too. Why am i playing this again? Ive been a guardian for 3 years and im still trying to get jade rabbit. And unfortunately thats all there is left in this game. Nothing else. Crucible is not fun, i feel more exhausted playing 5 matches of crucible than 20 matches of halo reach. Strikes are not rewarding. Story we can't even willing replay. Your new dlc was nothing. That new dlc strike is by far the most shameful strike dlc release, probably in the history of dlc. A literal reskin of a story mission, right down to the dialogue scripting when sagira is literally saying we did this before. How pathetic is that? What were the devs and production teams thinking? Did you guys really think we'd enjoy a reskinned mission, would you??? I cant even comprehend how that mission got thr green light. The only possibility is that it was so late that no one cared. Not a good look for you guys. The effort clearly is not there like the old bungie team or you need a discussion with activision about your deadlines because the team clearly cant meet the expectations for this game. On the topic of dlcs, i thought you said back in destiny 1 that eververse was being introduced to remove paid dlcs? Remember that? You went back on another word you said. Destiny 1 did it right. Cosmetic purposes, adding to dlc content or free live events. Destiny 2 i see both. A paid dlc with microtransations. So in the end, its clear money oriented. And the dawning live event should show you how pathetic your attempt is. Its no where near as fun as D1 dawning. I barely played anything this holidays, there was no incentive, no fun with friends. Just nothing to do. If i wanted everything new, i just had to pay. So i decided to pay for other games on holiday sales and play those. There was nothing in your dlc but a huge amount of tiny farming tasks. So I think the biggest questions you need to ask yourself is if the content you release is something you'd play for hours? Not once, not twice, but hours and hours. If not, figure out whats wrong and why. Is it the budget, is it the dev team is too slow? is it activision limitations? All of us know activision is pushing alot, especially when they foot the bill for many things, but they arent the developers in the end. All the PR they do, wont mean anything if youre hamstringed and cant make a good game. Dont work like a regular 9-5 job. This studio built amazing games in the past, not even games. Built amazing worlds. Destiny has a huge potential to build a great world and i say all of this because i still feel you can turn this sinking ship around and head in the right direction. But the time for words is over. I think the community is clearly tired of you telling us what youre listening to and not delivering and expecting us to forget and forgive and do it all again in 3 months. Get your act together.

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        • #NEWDLCFORD1 no changes just new strikes and maybe gear .Don't change anything or at least bring back the Trails and the events again with No CHANGES !!! P.s. how the -blam!- ikora stayed alive with on Mercury with out mask . Your game has no logic why no one wears a mask . You can't stay on titan alive with out mask too and you brought that strange human titan to stay there .Please at least some logic .Don't do this in D1 if there is a vanguard make it with a helmet on any planet .Also f*ck you Luke Smith bring back the co founder of bungie for director .

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          • Bungie in a nutshell: https://twitter.com/Kruzer/status/948763953034772480?s=17

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          • I'd like a refund or some sort of restitution for my duplicate fated engrams. Please and thank you. But I doubt this will even be read by the appropriate people. #broken #fatedengram

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          • so what did the dawning get us... Mayhem which we already had in d1 so no credit for something that should have been in the game Masterwork updates - that again were pointless snowballs were fun and useful - again making our guardians powerful again - which you took away in d2 - ANYTHING that makes the game fun again is appreciated vs the peashooter fest you gave us. the announcement of how you can purchase all of eververse items for bright dust and then made bright dust harder to collect than the rings of Sauron...yeah that was dead on arrival factions rewards gifts were useless without vault space !!! NO ROOM IN THE INN Dawning was meh as an event imho - yes i did play it and got 2 exotic emotes and 1 exotic ghost shell. woohoo... When is the live team coming back?

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          • Suck my balls bungie

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          • Here's a list for the devs that is in order of prioritization: 1. #Remove Eververse 2. #Remove Eververse 3. #Remove Eververse 4. Give the Crucible more than two game modes 5. Give Heroic Strikes good modifiers and Strike Specific Loot, and make them available to everyone 6. Give Raids better rewards 7. Give Trials better rewards 8. Give legendaries a tab in the "Collections" page in the vault so we can just dismantle legendaries and buy them back if we change our minds instead of storing them 9. Rework and buff a lot of the exotic weapons, and stop giving us exotic armor that has a stat boost for a perk 10. Bring random rolls back into the game in some degree, or rerolling If you do everything on this list this bungie, you'll have decent START at fixing this game.

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          • It's to hard!!! Said Bungie We can't develop a ten year game we lied! So we gave you a half assed 6 month game we can't add content it's to difficult! But Eververse oh it's fine to add items and change the game into pay for content. Absolute filth STOP PLAYING FOR CHANGE

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          • I know this won't gain traction. But here is my idea for the lack of loot problem. It would be similar to Masterworks. But how about a system that allows us to convert blues into legendaries. Have Xur sell a conversion core for legendary shards and add those cores to the loot pool for the raid, nightfall, and trials also. Give the blue converted weapons a slight stat boost, and add a static perk so they stay in line with other weapons while also adding the ability to bump it to Masterwork status. Armor would be the same with the adding of a normal legendary perk. There are some great looking weapons and armor we could use that are blues and would use if they were better. This will greatly increase our current loot pool and will allow us to think about things before seeing a blue and auto dismantling it. Just a thought.....

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          • Still missing recharge rates and weapon system from the list.

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            • Bearbeitet von sammy-00193: 1/5/2018 9:15:36 PM
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvrL72ekbGE When ever you guys see a Bungie post on twitter, reddit, or even the forums that is them just puking up the same shit they have said since the game was release (ex : We are talking about [insert basic shit], OR the famous It wasn't working the way we intended etc.. etc..) then post this link. WOW WOW THAT'S INCREDIBLE

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            • Destiny 1 year 3 should be your goal Bungo, nothing else matters until you are back at that point, do the right thing and fix the damn game.

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            • Bearbeitet von Radical_Romgan: 1/5/2018 7:05:50 PM
              According to my calendar its 2018 and all I see is a small TWAB with no indication of what you have supposedly "listened to" or what you are going to change

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              • Why has Eververse not been closed down ? At least until bungie has addressed everyone's concerns with it, surely with the recent outrage it's the least bungie should have done. Ok not everyone is back from their holidays,but to keep this cash grab con going is wrong. Guess bungie looking to cash in on all those kids who got money for Christmas, and hoping they spend it chasing all this cool gear Eververse has,and what happens if someone has spent £30/£40 maybe more over the past few weeks chasing something,only to accidentally delete it,can they go back to Eververse and reclaim this item ? (I'm not sure if they can ) this is so wrong bungie This game has loads of problems but this one should never be in game. Who needs to make DLCs when they can make more money with this cash grab

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              • Please disable the forums. There’s no point in them existing any more. There’s no feedback just spoiled -blam!-tard children crying because some things actually cost money. -blam!- it. Shut this forum down and just build the game.

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                • Bearbeitet von PurplePickle: 1/5/2018 6:34:38 PM
                  Destiny 2 should never have been a reboot just a expansion on destiny 1. Why did we lose all the old raids , strikes, patrol zones, where did they go. We are still on earth the same earth from D1 so what happen to everything. The cabal came down took are light an took over the tower then 8 hours later we had everything back. Bungie you gonna tell me in 8 hours everything from D1 just disappeared? Destiny should be an ever expanding universe not one rebooted every 3 years esp if the reboot will be such a shell of it's former self.

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                • Nobody buy silver in D2 I stopped when I realized they Nerf the drop rates so u keep spending it's a scam a very big one bungie u get zero respect trash ass company

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                  • Bring back my loot from D1, that should be on the list. Better looking armor, and some of the weapons were better too. Or at least update them to this worse new system. If you want unique armors, there were plenty left in the dust with this hard reset. Monolith Bleed, Dust Tread, Unity Clade were awesome Warlock armors I could never use due to level limitations in D1.... So bring those armor models from D1 forward, along with some of the weapon models too.

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                  • 3words. IRON BANNER MAYHEM

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                    • I thought d2 lacked endgame rewards. Cool loot drops. I was wrong. The dawning proved to me that you guys can design great loot. But instead of raiding, trials, grinding, or nightfalls... I need to buy silver. Played since d1 beta. I got passed over for not having gally, but I bought my first mic to play d1 with friends. It didn't bother me that I needed to spend money on a mic to have a chance at the best d1 loot. I was better off for the chase. I made friends online and eventually irl. D1 was a fun game that became part of my life. Now with d2, I'd be better off selling my mic to buy loot boxes for endgame rewards. That's not my biggest concern. Every haphazard fusion rifle nerf pails in comparison to your nerf of my friend's list.

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                      • Now got full sets of Dawning gear on all 3 classes, never spent a penny... :D

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                      • No peeking... I'm naked..... I said no peeking!

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