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12/28/2017 8:39:55 AM
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Are people who oppose #RemoveEververse just trolls?
A couple of my recent posts in support #RemoveEververse have gotten a lot of responses, but many opposing responses were frankly embarrassing for their authors. I welcome opinions different to mine. I welcome constructive discussion and debate. But I'm posting #RemoveEververse because I care about this potentially amazing game and I'm pissed off the developers are f**king up so badly by channelling us down the microtransaction road.
Ok you don't agree with me? Fine no problem. But how do childish personal insults work towards forcing improvements in D2? In short, it seems a significant percentage of people on this forum supporting Eververse are no more than trolls.
#RemoveEververse
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I dgaf about cosmetic crap. You guys are silly babies. I'm not trolling when I tell you I paid 100 dollars in eververse
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Just misinformed probably. I didn't see any issues with Eververse in the beginning. I had everything in game that I needed but, when half my clan stopped playing (we were only 6 active members, it's not like that means we still have 20 people to Raid with) after feeling ripped off by the DLC, I started doing research. Not from guys who ignorantly curse and throw temper tantrums but mature, educated YouTubers who have actual information, presented in a calm, fact based manor. Now I'm completely against Eververse. And you know, children and immature adults alike do troll for attention so, it's probably some of both. Just keep doing what you're doing though. #RemoveEververse
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actually there are allot of people that really don't have a problem with micro-transactions and the thought of something they like being removed well kinda makes them mad. Not to mention what the guy below said. It does get annoying and make you look stupid. Just make one post and everyone put their reason in that one post. creating hundreds of post about the samething is stupid. I just don't bother using eververse. After the last dlc drops that I payed for I will no longer bother. The game isn't want I want to play. It's boring and everything is just given to you. Even the story was real bland and short. Destiny 2 is just a repeat of destiny one. It will take them another 3 years to get destiny 2 to a decent state.(as was D1) With band aid fix after band aid. What economy there is in game will be trashed just as it was in D1. It just seems they are doing the exact same thing they did in D1, but are making even more missteps on things that seem pretty obvious not to do. Either way after the last dlc comes out I am not paying anymore. Most people I started with and the clan of 89 I believe don't bother logging on anymore. At most there are maybe 5 people on at any given time. One person told be he had all the exotics so there is really no point in bothering.
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1 AntwortenNo we just aren’t sheep like you and the rest of these pathetic losers - muted for being stupid
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I really dont see eververse as a problem. In the end its the players desicion if they want to spend money on cosmetics. Eververse really doesnt sell anything game changing.. Everyone says the exotics ghosts are pay to win... But seriously who is hurting for xp? Lol. People are way too worried about eververse being removed when eververse isnt the real problem with the game...
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All you have to do is click on the people... The funny part is, 80% of the players that I have seen post the eververse protest either have not played the game, or have very little hours played. So, what constitutes troll to you? Now, I am not saying 80% of the players are trolling with topics, I am saying the ones that have made the most noise. And if you click on those that are defending the game, or pointing out those that are CONSTANTLY negative, they have a lot of hours as played. So just seeing if you could define “troll”.
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Bearbeitet von Milk: 12/30/2017 4:21:14 PMI've seen it come from both sides. I've seen one side say that people who support Eververse and don't want to see it's complete removal from the game labeled as sheep and idiots and all sorts of colorful names. In that sane vein I've seen the other side called entitled, annoying and unrealistic. From where I stand they're two sides of the same coin, but YMMV. Both sides can sometimes see themselves as paragons fighting for the good of the franchise, with the #RemoveEververse crowds more extreme members seeing themselves as the righteous defenders of consumer rights fighting the good fight to remove microtransactions from the gaming world, while the other sides extremes see themselves as advocates for common sense and as the mature and well composed members of the community for pointing out that "you know you can earn loot boxes by playing the game." and dismissing concerns, seeing themselves as slapping down the ever present outrage culture of our modern world one snarky forum post at a time. Both can be kinda silly, and the fight between the two will rage until either the removal of microtransactions from all games, a new thing to argu about appears or the heat death of the universe. I'm not really on either side, I'm here to post about anime and wear adorable shoes and get yelled at in the help forum.
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Bearbeitet von james_mikel: 12/29/2017 8:46:50 PMIn answer to your Subject... No. We are realists. Eververse is not the core problem. It's not even a symptom... And everything Tess sells (except for that FUGLY sparrow) requires no additional expense. Bright dust FTW... IMHO. YMMV.
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Personally I don't have any real issue with Eververse because I don't spend any real money there. Never have, never will. Most of what I get is promptly desolved except a couple sparrows and ghosts. But in reality I already have more of those than I can use and each toon has multiple 160 sparrows. Got ghosts for every map with xp, loot, or resource bonus I just have to pick what I'm after at the time. Would it be nice to have one ghost that does it all? Sure, but I'm frequently hitting glimmer limit, I'm hoarding tokens in case they are worth something someday, xp buys nothing, and only on occasion do I care about "resources", so nothing would be game changing. Having said that if someone spends real money they should be able to get what they want, BUT if they spend real money knowing it's a crap shoot, and they do (or should at least), that's on them. As to your question, I personally think there are trolls on both sides of the issue just seeing how many folks they can snag into an argument, because that really seems to be the way of the world these days. Lots of keyboard warriors that would never act IRL the way they act on-line.
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No, maybe they are just so absorbed in their thoughts and lost touch with reality. I hope that at least they will look after the doves flying over their heads.
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1 AntwortenSo you complain about childish insults... while earnestly putting forward the notion that everyone who disagrees with you are probably just trolls? Yeeeeeeeah...
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No they're either people new to gaming despite being older so they don't remember what gaming used to be and how much better things were at times. That or they're millenials or younger who think transactions are good because they got babysat by an ipad or phone as their parents were too lazy to raise them.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von Wr3ckitR4lph: 12/29/2017 3:39:37 PMI am very much opposed to spamming the forums with constant “Remove Eververse” Spam. While i disagree with you, I don’t have a problem with your stance. Believe in what you want. What I do have a problem with is incessant spamming of the forums with literally the same thread title over and over. It’s cancerous. I logged in today to see if I could find a thread detailing what Xur is selling. All I see is cancer. It’s infuriating.
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18 AntwortenWhats embarassing is the #removeververse posts which just say "title is subject" and offer no real reasons as to why they dislike it. Personally i dont care for eververse, i think all the gear is cosmetic apart from the 10% extra xp ghost which honestly wont make a difference at all, the armour which we get from the engrams is exactly what we already wear it just looks different, ships are cool for the loading screen, sparrows are all the same depending on what rating one you have. People act as though removing eververse will make destiny great again... [b]but it wont.[/b] The core issues with the game have nothing what so ever to do with eververse, its honestly like all these posts are done by 12 years olds who refuse to see anything other then "remove eververse" when all its doing it taking the spotlight away from the real issues we have. - Static roll weapons makes for boring game play. - The Armour stats are far to basic and every piece of armour feels the same. - The lack luster exotics make exotics feel... non exotic. - Why no Exotic beast swords like in D1? - Why the static skill trees with only 2 options on how to play per class? - Why no private matches? - Why no strike specific loot? - Why no Strike scoring system? - Why do i get duplicate exotics far more often then i should? - Why do i feel like i HAVE to talk to vendors or they will keep flashing rather then wanting to go claim my rewards (because they are the same rubbish all the time) - Why is the farm useless now? - Why do i hate that bitch with the hawk on her shoulder so much? The list goes on and on and on... yet people be acting like removing eververse will make the game great again... [quote] I welcome constructive discussion and debate.[/quote] I find this part very ironic considering most of the remove eververse posts contain nothing constructive what so ever.
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Bearbeitet von AendettV: 12/29/2017 12:53:25 AMI don't necessarily support the removal of Eververse and I believe the community should have picked a more reasonable hash tag to use such as #RewardsnotMTX or something to that effect. But I don't support loot box style gambling in my games either so, the Eververse isn't going away. They just need to tone down the amount of content coming from it and add it to loot pools for activities. With that being said, I'm supporting the movement because I know what it's intended purpose is and I do support that. Destiny coexisted with Eververse and it wasn't universally liked but it wasn't hated this bad either. As far as people personally insulting you, those people are hiding behind an electronic device who knows how many miles away. Most likely insignificant in many aspect of life and taking it out on random strangers. They'd never say it to your face. Sometimes I retort sometimes I dont. I know it's pointless when I do but, it's usually comical to me. #RemoveEververse
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Same could be said about all the people supporting remove eververse. I think there are plenty trolls on both sides now . I didn’t have a problem with eververse until the dawning . The one main reason being exotic ships and sparrows and ships all locked behind the dawning box . I want that shit as rewards in game for completing acts for grinding etc. That to me is bullshit I want a reason to play not pay . The best loot should be tied to in game activities. I know I can buy some of the items when they are listed but your not going to have enough bright dust to purchase everything . Just isn’t going to happen so your forced to not get it or your forced to pay real money and that’s the part that’s got people in an uproar . Put the best loot behind end game activities not an in game store .
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I can say, after reading a whole lot of Eververse posts that it goes both ways. Both the supporters and opposers have at points decided that personal insults are appropriate since one side has a differentiating opinion. It is getting annoying how many posts there are, but, nothing much you or I can do about that. People are entitled to their own opinion and some people just cannot live that down. They think they need to go ahead and cry about it just because one person sees Eververse as a problem and the other sees it as harmless. I try to sway neutral in this, but i'm more of a supporter. I don't see an issue with it. That is all it boils down to. People are angry because another person does not think like them and it offends their very existence..
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Probably
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Seems people don't even know what a troll is anymore.
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Are people that post #RemoveEververse just trolls? I'm willing to bet the percentage of for vs against skew heavily in one direction. And when I say 'for', I mean people who have alternate ideas - not people who claim Eververse is fine as is. I'll repost here what I made a specific post for (and which was summarily ignored, as it wasn't following the mindless bandwagon posts). ------- All of you pushing the remove Eververse agenda.. you understand that it won't actually happen, right? The entire framework of the game is built around it. Your hearts are in the right place, but you're leading with the wrong idea. You need to be arguing to change what is attainable via natural gameplay vs what is tied directly to Eververse. ie, changing the system, not gutting it. For example, 1) Limited time/seasonal items should be available via the regular loot table and not tied to special Eververse engrams only. So, limited time/seasonal armor sets, ships, and shaders should drop from public event, strike, and crucible rewards in addition to Eververse engrams. Even if these activity rewards are on a lower chance than normal. 2) Shaders.. people complained about consumable shaders, then resigned to accept it because in the end it didn't seem like that big of a deal. With the Dawning, this is brought back into perspective once again. Dawning shaders are available only from the Dawning eververse engrams and gift quest. This severely limits how many you can get without purchasing additional engrams. The problem here is that once the event ends, you won't be able to get any more. If the shaders were part of a collection instead of consumable, this wouldn't be a problem. Solution is the same as #1, but they could also make the seasonal stuff separate (make them specifically collectables, while leaving normal shaders consumables). 3) Armor sets.. armor in the Eververse store should have no stats if it is going to be only available through the store. Cosmetic only. Etc etc.
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[i][quote]Ok you don't agree with me? Fine no problem. But how do [u]childish personal insults[/u] work towards forcing improvements in D2?[/quote][/i] For childish insults in this thread, look at a post just below. It calls those that disagree with you "BDF" or "Blind Dumb Fools". Do you, as the op, condemn this type of personal insult as well? Do you condone the personal insult if the person making it agrees with your side of the argument?
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[i][quote]Ok you don't agree with me? Fine no problem. But how do childish personal insults work towards forcing improvements in D2?[/quote][/i] I would presume those that are not anti-Eververse, or at least those that are ambivalent towards Eververse are receiving more insults and personal attacks than those who feel like you do. It's open season on those that don't subscribe to the #RemoveEververse movement.
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2 AntwortenI just dont understand why its such a big deal. Just spend if you want dont if you feel like its not for you. Nobody is making you spend cash to get Dawning engrams. So what the armor is tied behind a pay wall essentially. However, I havent spent any cash and ive gotten the complete set on my Titan by getting engrams and spending bright dust from dismantling unneeded ships, sparrows, ghosts, and bulk shaders. I dont really see it as a problem. But thats just my opinion. I love Destiny. Always have always will. I never hopped on any bandwagon about Destiny. I like the game and I enjoy playing it. Thats that.
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I am just tired of hearing you people whine and bitch about crap that is useless. Dawning armor looks fruity. The emotes/sparrows/ghosts and ships are 98% of the time getting deleted.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von Kanashimi510: 12/28/2017 11:13:05 PMI think a lot of people are sick of the constant complaining. So as a "stfu" reaction to the spam on the fourms, they lash out against it. Some of the anti-eververse posts are legitimate concerns while others are just spam made to simply be disruptive to the fourms. The "yeah, this game sucks" crowd latched onto the anti-eververse complaining, so you will automatically see people not wanting to side with the terrorism from those trolls regardless of their personal opinions of eververse.
