Im so happy I found this post. Why is it so hard for bungie to just add, for non A.I combatants, to their nerfs so it doesn't affect PVE. How many posts have you seen of people complaining about snipers in PVE...That's right 0. Or how many people were complaining about shoulder charge for PVE..Yup you guessed it, 0 again. I'm sick of all these PVP crybabies getting all pissed off after matches and instantly coming on these forums demanding actions and nerfs and just wah wah wah, and Bungie listens and if affects PVE in the end as well. When will they separate the two. They have shown that they can do it?

The only vote that matters is if we buy the game and dlc or not. Who all here pre-ordered Rise of Iron?

Look at the overwhelming number of us who want the separation. Mind you bungie doesn't give two shits unless we play pvp so this is all for nothing. ALL pve players should stop playing and not buy anything else destiny related including the next game unless the two modes are separate.

Give our primaries 15% dmg increase against minion of the darkness. All primaries have 20% more reserve ammo in PvE. Give shotguns there old power in PvE Give snipers more reserve ammo Give fusion x2 dmg against minion of the darkness All heavy weapons get 10-20% increase dmg against minion of the darkness. There you go Bungie your welcome.

Separating PvE from PvP would completely ruin Destiny. It a model was for every gun to work the same in PvE as it does in PvP so that your guardian always stays the same.

Coming from a player that mostly plays PvE, the changes made in PvP do keep PvE in check. They make sure each weapon isn't more useful than the others or and ability is more useful than the others. As for Sunsingers, the changes to VF buffed the class.

I voted yes. The only problem I see with this is that Destiny would lose one the unique things it has.

Using Auto-Rifles in Crucible: Wow they actually did good, Auto-Rifles feel reliable again Using Auto-rifle in PVE: Wow I ran out of Ammo before I could even do a tenth of a bosses health. Wow a Full magazine can't take down a major any more. Wow a full magazine can't even take down a shield enemy any more. Why the hell am I using this? *Switches Immediately back to scout rifles*

Dreg op, please nerf. Vandal op, please nerf. Taken and vex are always lag switching, please ban.

No, Bungie wants to force everyone to play the game the way they want you to play. 1- You're not allowed to enjoy weapons for more then the first update. That's because it will be nerfed. This is to control how long we can streach out content like the taken wallet. 2- You're not allowed to have any customisation. We/Bungie thinks it's a great idea to force gamers to delete their character so they have to run everything all over again just to change the way you look. 3- You're not allowed optional matchmaking. How else are we/Bungie going to force gamers to keep playing this game other then deliberately setting up a messed up RNG?. 4- You're now allowed use weapons that are created to perform as they were attended. Nerfing everything that is used the most and it's entire category. We/Bungie believe everything should be the same. But pay no attention that we love streamers so we will deliberately mess everything up accept snipers. Hey! It's free advertisement... 5- You're not allowed to have actual content that expands this game. We/Bungie believe you gamers have too much content so will just cover one of the planet's with snow and call it new content. This way we don't have to put any actual effort into making the game when we can remove content to replace it with a new look. 6- You're not allowed to have primary elemental anymore because we/Bungie don't want to fix our broken mechanics. So if anything becames a problem in our minds even though they aren't the problem. Will nerf it useless or remove it all together. 7-You're not allowed to use y1 weapons in PvE. It's not that any of them are game braking knowing we/Bungie do have updates with patch nots, but don't pay any attention to that. Its just were to lazy so will always look for the easy way out. But guess what! We can resell them back to you like Ghorn so it halps ensures you will buy our next expansion. 8- You're not allowed to use Y1 exotics in PvE, but all weapons even y1 work in PvP. We just didn't want to add content for PvE to force gamers to play PvP and say see! You can still use y1. Just don't pay any attention to PvE knowing we falsely advertise this game up till this day to be a PVE game. We didn't want have to put in the extra work to "balance" this game. 9- the list goes on. When Bungie makes a game that is actually playable. Maybe I'll start playing again....

Can we also be honest here and say that bungie should remove any gun perk that came out after house of wolves. Most of them are too situational, increase rng for good perks, and vanilla/tdb perks are what we farm for anyways. What would you choose in this situation? Between outlaw and firefly or icarus and surrounded? Honestly.

Better yet just remove PVP from the game, all problems solved!

They NEED to separate PVE and PVP. It needs to be done.

I think weapons should feel the same in pvp and pve. but have more damage more ammo more everything. BUT THEY SHOULD FEEL AND ACT THE SAME. Just keep the recoil and all that fun stuff

It doesnt make sense having two versions of every weapon.

Destiny has been based on PVP since first auto rifle nerf, bungie is to stupid to realize there is a large portion of players who solely play for pve. It's never going to change, pve players have been screwed over for quite sometime now, and the fact that bungie just keeps pushing its pve base away is mind boggling, bc I gaurantee there was at one point way more people playing pve vs PVP, but as it stands now destiny is just a knock off cod and they just want your money.

Pretty cool how Warframe has OP gear an characters to use in pve. But are BANNED from pvp. Just an example of separation which works