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11/11/2015 2:19:34 AM
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To say morals come from nature, or to say they are subjective, is to say there is no morality at all. But the truth is, something can only be moral, if it does not go against God's will. There are three fonts of morality according to the catechism: 1. intention 2. moral object 3. circumstances Each is explained in detail in the link above.
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  • If morality is based on God then it is subjective. If gods will ever changes then so does morality as it is SUBJECT to his will. Also why should we care about adhering to a gods will?

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  • God's will never changes. Therefore morality also, never changes. Because if God's will were to ever change, how can he be omniscient? [quote]Also why should we care about adhering to a gods will?[/quote] Because he is God, the creator of the universe. He loves all of his creations and wants what is best for them. That is the reason for his commandments and his doctrines. It's why he sent his only son our lord to die for our sins, it's why he showed us the way to get into heaven. To do otherwise is to be lead into hell, which is both a state (separation from God) and a place of eternal torment. So why would we wish to adhere to God's will? Because we want to find happiness and avoid damnation, both are very good reasons.

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  • Bearbeitet von kermit81: 11/12/2015 7:35:44 AM
    [quote]God's will never changes. Therefore morality also, never changes. Because if God's will were to ever change, how can he be omniscient? [/quote] Even if god's will never changes your morality is still subjective to it and were gods will to have been any different ot what it is your morality would be also. However the bible itself actually has instances of god changing his mind or regretting things and generally lacking omnisciece. For example him feeling regret about creating humans before wiping out everyone in a flood (including the innocent babies and young children) so clearly gods will can and does change so your morality is clearly subjective. Which in your opinion means you ave no morals at all. [quote] Because he is God, the creator of the universe. He loves all of his creations and wants what is best for them. That is the reason for his commandments and his doctrines.[/quote] Is that the reason that the first 4 of the 10 commandments are about worshiping god rather than actually benefiting humanity. Apparently telling us not to make carven images is (oops on the whole crucifix i guess) is more important than telling us not to -blam!- or own slaves....... [quote] It's why he sent his only son our lord to die for our sins[/quote] And wy exactly does an all powerful and supposedly loving being need a human sacrifice to relent in his punishment of humanity (who he created in a way that it is impossible for us not to sin apparently? What possible use does god have for the death of jesus that he is so powerless to just appear and say "OK, things aint going so well, if you follow my way I will bring you to my paradise and if you do things I dont like I am going to send you to be eternally tortured" is god really so weak that he needs to have himself sacrificed to himself to save us from himself (and in what way does that make even the slightest bit of sence?) [quote], it's why he showed us the way to get into heaven. To do otherwise is to be lead into hell, which is both a state (separation from God) and a place of eternal torment. So why would we wish to adhere to God's will? Because we want to find happiness and avoid damnation, both are very good reasons.[/quote] I don't know what kind of person you are but I could find no happiness in heaven knowing there are people being tortured for all eternity simply for not worshiping god. You claim god loves his creations but this makes no sense if he is willing to eternally torture them, we have very different definitions of love if you think it involves unlimitedly punishing something you love with the worst tortures you can imagine, that is not love at all. The argument that we should follow gods will to avoid his punishment is nothing more than a might makes right argument either, god has sufficiently more power over us that we cant stop him torturing us so we should obey him? that sounds like bowing to a dictator because they could have you killed/imprisoned/tortured if you don't and calling the dictator good and loving as you bow.

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