That's the problem. It shouldn't. NO gun should be up top. Guns should not rule crucible. Tactics and skills should. A good player with thorn would of course best a lesser player with thorn. But a lesser player with thorn can still beat out better players due to the tactics the gun can create. By the way, I was talking to you but I did not refer to red death or any other weapon. I referred to the reason why thorn is too effective at the moment. The poison causes players to use SPECIFIC weapons in order to counter it. There are no other weapons in the game which you need a specific weapon to counter. People just say use red death. What if you don't have red death? Mida? What if you don't have mida? Suros is not effective anymore. 1 thorn user changes the variety of guns present in the game. That is a serious problem. There are no other guns that have this ability