But you see my stats are universally almost double yours, I have nearly a 2.0 in rumble... I'm not bad and I'm not blaming anything... I'm simply saying it is overused... I don't get killed by thorns any more than I get killed by... Say legendary pulse rifles...it's just so overused... I bet you can't find a lobby where there is no thorn... However red death for example, while just as powerful, there are plenty of lobbies where no one is using it