Final round snipers too... I guarantee I will find a rebuttal for whatever you say, because it's wrong. I loved thorn, since day 1, I used it all the time, back when it had 6 rounds and terrible reload and handling... Now I don't use it anymore, it's no fun because EVERYONE is using it [b]For those wanting to hear my thoughts on the matter:[/b] [spoiler]thorn is one of the best guns to use, at any range... People spam body shots at close range and get easy crits at long range... Personally I use TLW... And I think it's a better gun than thorn... But that raises the question if TLW Is so much better than thorn why is EVERYONE using thorn? The answer is thorn is just a lot easier to use... Sure TLW can compete at longer ranges but you have to manually adjust your fire rate to do so, and rarely do you get more than 1-2 kills without reloading with the last word... Thorn just becomes a crutch because it's easy to use... It has enormously high aim assist and target acquisition, and extremely high range... If they just nerfed those stats then it would be balanced... I don't think they should mess with the time to kill at all... They should not nerf it so it is any worse than other weapons... Instead it should just be on par... The weapons need to work in a more "rock paper scissors" way...hand cannons at shorter range and scout at long range for example[/spoiler] [b]To all those saying another exotic will take its place, here is why that is untrue:[/b] [spoiler]basically all the other strong exotics are balanced. Red death, TLW, MIDA, Bad juju... Each of these guns is definitely viable in pvp right now, and many people are saying that some of those guns counter thorn... The reason thorn is so disgustingly overused is that it's so easy to use... With red death you can't spam body shots to get a kill, it rewards precision and punishes you if you are inaccurate. The TTK becomes abysmal unless you hit headshots... Also red deaths functions very well within its range: mid range. You don't see people countering shotguns or trying to out shoot snipers with red death, sure it can compete at those ranges but the skill cap to do so increases at a very steep rate. TLW is an incredibly strong gun which works incredibly well in its very small range... Now TLW can have amazing range, but only when used properly, it's a difficult gun to use at further ranges however it can be very rewarding to a skilled player. On top of that, rarely can you get more than one or two kills without reloading, you will find yourself reloading all the time while using TLW. I don't feel the need to explain the weaknesses and strengths of other exotics such as mida or bad juju because those are quite obvious... Thorn doesn't have ANY of those weaknesses... It is an exceptional gun at both scout rifle range and shotgun range... It has extreme aim assist and target aquisition... It won't be replaced, I believe that while pvp won't become entirely balanced, it wi be more balanced than it is currently[/spoiler] [b]For all those saying that other weapons need buffs:[/b] [spoiler]things need to stop being buffed, Time to kill is already too high as it is, if they get any higher it will be just like CoD and end up being a game of who sees who first. High TTK doesn't suit a game with hundreds of weapon choices. If anything [b]everything[/b] needs a nerf, except for autorifles, the TTK on auto rifles currently is probably where everything in the game should be... Nerfs are always better than buffs, buffs can create crazy imbalance, nerfs can cause at worst dissapointment.[/spoiler] Another issue: HEADGLITCHING... How does that make sense... Only your head is showing but somehow you can shoot me? [b]how do bullets come from your head... [/b] not really a big issue but it doesn't make sense at all... Partially related as well because Thorn is a very popular weapon to partake in this activity with...