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Edited by Eden:
1/4/2020 10:29:44 PM
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I disagree, at least to an extent.
Full disclosure. I'm Unbroken. I'm in the top 1% of players. I don't want to steamroll people every game. Yes, there are people out there who do, I've interacted with a lot of them. It's not something that I personally condone or find fun.
I still don't like SBMM.
SBMM doesn't stop you getting stomped by six stacks. It doesn't even stop unbalanced lobbies. The chances of MM finding 12 Unbroken level players in a reasonable timeframe for every match are basically none. This means I'm often thrown into unbalanced lobbies where everyone on my team is ... below average, and everyone on the enemy team is above average. I can beat above average players, but my team cannot. I can't and should not be expected to carry 5 other people.
I don't have a problem with close games and even teams. It's fun to have a close match sometimes. I liked soloing to Legend over the past couple of seasons for that reason. It is not fun for every match to be that close. It burns you out very quickly (hence why I only played a few matches of Comp a day while grinding.) Quickplay for me right now is either endless strings of close matches or games where I do pretty okay but my team gets absolutely dumpstered and we inevitably lose.
Give people the option to set preferences for either Connection or Skill. Bungie did this years ago with Halo so I don't see why it wouldn't work again now.
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I don't have any problems playing against top-tier players, at all. The only problem is that those players are mostly invincible by not taking any damage and killing me with 2-3 bullets. Me pumping my whole mag in them and they still able to run away. Or me having 100% lifebar and them 10%. I start shooting earlier and them still winning the gunfight. Them coming out of nowhere, not being on radar......
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[quote]Give people the option to set preferences for either Connection or Skill. Bungie did this years ago with Halo so I don't see why it wouldn't work again now.[/quote] Yes but tbh, if you have Broken’t, I’d imagine that you would fight other people of SIMILAR caliber... or something like that.
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Well put
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I don't get why a lot are saying give people a choice. Do you not understand that people are already making that choice? The old classic mix is CBMM, the rest are SBMM. Where do you think most are? The people that were constantly getting stomped, choose the playlists with SBMM, and avoid CBMM completely. Why is it that so many can not seem to understand that if Bungie gave an option to choose connection type, that nothing would change? Those that prefer SBMM, would choose it, those that prefer CBMM would choose it, and you would have exactly the same thing we have now, only with a few more options for those that prefer CBMM.
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That's not the kind of choice he means Segregation by playlist is not the way to do it. Preferences just filters who you're getting in one concurrent pool
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Those that choose SBMM, want nothing to do with the CBMM pub stomping lobbys. They make the choice to play using skill based, and should remain in those playlists. Simple as that.
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You're missing the point entirely
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No, I am not. What you are saying, is that everybody should be in the same pool of players, and their choice of connection preference, should not be absolute, so a mix of players is still possible. I am saying, that if you want your connection to be skill based, then in no way should you be placed into a connection based game. Doing that, mixing the two, is no longer a choice.
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Edited by TJ_Dot: 1/4/2020 9:24:09 PM[quote] then in no way should you be placed into a connection based game.[/quote] Yes, you are, that's not how it works. That would never happen. Matchmaking isn't a per-game basis, it searches for people that fit your CHOSEN parameters, someone may be searching for a good connection, have one with you, and be close to your skill range, something you want, you'd likely be matched with them. It's more dynamic but won't just flatly ignore your settings. It is more healthy when more people are involved.
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Or, someone may be searching for good connection, have one with you, and be way out of your skill bracket. That is how it would work with what you saying.
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Then you don't match with them. That is how it would work. [quote] Or, someone may be searching for good connection, have one with you, and be way out of your skill bracket.[/quote]
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And, that is exactly what you have now. You either go into the SBMM playlists, or into the old classic mix that has CBMM.
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Edited by TJ_Dot: 1/4/2020 9:38:50 PMNo it's not, the player pool is divided that way, which is bad. the systems cannot work with people that are less perfect candidates for your matches when there's barely anyone to work with, which creates mismatches. Separate playlists push either one too far. It's too strict. That's why SB lags so damn badly in this game. It cares too much about Skill. Someone could filter by skill and connection too, or neither, or by language even. Strict playlists don't allow this.
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What I am saying here: right now, lets say we have two pools of players. Pool A, and pool B. Pool A chooses mostly connection based, and contains around 20% of the player base. Pool B chooses skill based, and contains around 80% of the player base. What I see that you want: players are all in Pool C. Players in pool C choose their preferences between connection based, or skill based, or a combination there of. Based on the same player preferences above, 20% of pool C choose connection base, lets say 70% choose skill based, and 10% choose a combination. What real difference would it make?
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The difference is that everybody wins, unlike now where anyone looking for CB are isolated to a tiny playlist off to the side that many just never think about and those that do are in so few numbers that the experience isn't great anyway. Default would just throw you into the first game it can, no filter, [b]Quick[/b]play. Something lots will likely be on since you can't expect everyone to know what all this stuff is and they just choose the main playlist, bloating those that actually want SB and just pick control because most don't know any better and pick the large icon in the center.
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Edited by oOUTSIDERo62: 1/5/2020 4:38:30 PMSo you want those that prefer SBMM to wander into the CBMM playlist by mistake? Wow, missing the pub stomping days are you? The fact is, pretty much everybody knows exactly where the CBMM playlist is, and choose to not play it.
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The cbmm game mode is the smallest pleb circle in the bottom right corner and has no significance because all the Sbmm game modes are the modes that takes up most of the screen when choosing what to play
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And most do not want to choose it anyway. How can you not see that the only ones going into the old quickplay/classic mix, are try hards, good players, and pub stompers. Most everybody else avoids the game lists with CBMM. Where or how large the icon for it is, makes no difference at all.
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Most don’t want to choose it because it’s not the first thing your eye notices.
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I think you are very wrong there. People got tired of being stomped, when a choice of SBMM or CBMM was offered, those people chose SBMM and avoid CBMM. The size or placement of the icon has no bearing on what people choose.
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It has no bearing because who wants the small trash on the corner barely noticing. You only go down there for private matches.
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Oh my god, no. [quote]Fit as in: Does this person have what I want? Not Fit as in: Is this person searching for the same exact thing as me? If you were thrown into a group, it isn't going to ask what those people are after, it will rate how well your interests match with the stats of the lobby as a whole. If you connect well, place If the skill ranges are around yours, place[/quote] [quote]So you want those that prefer SBMM to wander into the CBMM playlist by mistake? [/quote] This isn't a thing [quote]The fact is, pretty much everybody knows exactly where the CBMM playlist is, and choose to not play it.[/quote] You can't prove that as a fact
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Edited by oOUTSIDERo62: 1/6/2020 2:27:28 AM"Default would just throw you into the first game it can, no filter, Quickplay. Something lots will likely be on since you can't expect everyone to know what all this stuff is and they just choose the main playlist, bloating those that actually want SB and just pick control because most don't know any better and pick the large icon in the center." How is that not equal to So you want those that prefer SBMM to wander into the CBMM playlist by mistake? I do not believe that the placement or the size of the icon for the CBMM playlists, has any bearing on if people choose it or not. People are choosing the SBMM playlists, because they prefer that type of matchmaking. You could group everybody into the same pool of players, and those players would still choose SBMM matchmaking. They do not want to go into playlists where they just get stomped over and over. For as long as Bungie keeps the matchmaking as it is, this is how it will be. It would make no difference if player pools are as one, or separate, simply because players choose to be separate. It likely won't matter for that long, as Bungie seems to run it one way or the other, and switches between the two forms of matchmaking. It is fairly likely the lists will stay as is for a while, then switch to favor CBMM sometime in the future.
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Edited by TJ_Dot: 1/6/2020 2:28:22 AMBeing thrown into the first available game isn't [quote]the CBMM playlist by mistake[/quote] That isn't how it works, there is no C/SBMM [b]playlist[/b]
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Going to end this after this last comment. We are getting nowhere. Ok so there is no C/SBMM playlist. You choose how you want to connect. Those choosing the SBMM playlists now, will choose SBMM matchmaking. Those that choose the CBMM playlist, will choose CBMM matchmaking. Where or how those players come from, which pool that is, or how many pools of players exist, has no bearing at all. Those that prefer skill based will be matched with those that prefer skill based and vice versa for the CBMM folks. This would show no change at all, except perhaps adding more playlists to the CBMM folks. The player base is still going to be split between the two preferences.
