Skill based matchmaking is a great way to never improve. It dulls the pvp experience for all. you’re never going to not get stomped. once and a while regardless of who you are and how skilled you are you’re going to get the shit beat out of you. Gamers these days seem pretty pathetic compared to back when cod or halo was the shit to be playing. All the friends would play together in either, you’d dick measure about k/ds and talk about that guy who nuked you the other day. I vividly remember trying to get better so I could be the one nuking people on a somewhat regular basis back in the day and I had a lot of fun along the road to improving. Had every match been nearly the same because skill based match making matched thumbless joes against each other everyday I doubt gaming would hold many good memories for as many people. Just my thoughts on skill based matchmaking.

I disagree, at least to an extent. Full disclosure. I'm Unbroken. I'm in the top 1% of players. I don't want to steamroll people every game. Yes, there are people out there who do, I've interacted with a lot of them. It's not something that I personally condone or find fun. I still don't like SBMM. SBMM doesn't stop you getting stomped by six stacks. It doesn't even stop unbalanced lobbies. The chances of MM finding 12 Unbroken level players in a reasonable timeframe for every match are basically none. This means I'm often thrown into unbalanced lobbies where everyone on my team is ... below average, and everyone on the enemy team is above average. I can beat above average players, but my team cannot. I can't and should not be expected to carry 5 other people. I don't have a problem with close games and even teams. It's fun to have a close match sometimes. I liked soloing to Legend over the past couple of seasons for that reason. It is not fun for every match to be that close. It burns you out very quickly (hence why I only played a few matches of Comp a day while grinding.) Quickplay for me right now is either endless strings of close matches or games where I do pretty okay but my team gets absolutely dumpstered and we inevitably lose. Give people the option to set preferences for either Connection or Skill. Bungie did this years ago with Halo so I don't see why it wouldn't work again now.

Nobody is complaining about sbmm in comp, they're complaining about sbmm in the other playlists. While there are likely some that just wanna farm stats, I think the majority of people complaining are upset about the fact that it takes 5-10 minutes just to populate a control match, and then a few are gonna disconnect while flying in, so now you've got a 6v4 and wouldn't ya know, the team with 6 has at least one guy rubberbanding around the map. 2 players are gonna join in and have to face a laggy team that has all their supers and just picked up heavy. All of this because sbmm is putting you in matches with people on other continents. I'm a mediocre at best crucible player, and even I can see that sbmm is terrible for casual playlists, it's fine in comp, but not quickplay.

[quote]I've noticed quite a few players, who are skilled them selves, complaining about skill based match making because they "Just want a laid back pvp experience". This is code for "stomp guys with half their KD" quite often.[/quote]I've noticed exclusively low kd players begging to save thier crutch. The "I want sbmm for a "fair" exp" (as if better players somehow deal more damage) is code for "I am terrified of better players" quite often. [quote]They complain when they have to fight people at their level instead of guys they can smash into the ground and say they "dont want to sweat so hard in crucible" . After the "easy/laid back matches" they often laugh at how "trash" or "bad" their enemies are after the fights too.[/quote]Exactly what gives low skill players the right to special, separate treatment? Nothing. They paid as much as any top player, they should be matched accordingly. Thier inept playstyle does not entitle them to different treatment. [quote]It's just like someone who's a skilled college basketball player (Good, but not quite pro, just like the skilled guys complaining about even fights) going to the park and stomping on middle aged guys who barley play then calling them trash after kicking their asses and laughing at them. It's not a good thing and shouldn't be encouraged. It's called bad sportsmanship.[/quote]Bad example as a skilled basketball player has more muscle, energy and power then a middle aged guy, all guardians in destiny are as fit as each other. A better example is a nascar race where everyone is driving the same model except the low skill drivers demand the better ones be disqualified from racing them - but of course they want to go for the same trophy... [quote]Highest Glory I've ever gotten to was 4700-4800ish or so. I get paired against people with 4000-5500 glory based on skill based match making. Sometimes some Unbrokens. My KD isnt great. I enjoy skill based match making however. It puts me against people at my level or so most of the time, or a bit above my level when I fight the unbroken guys. Then I have a chance to get better too. Games are challenging usually, and require effort to complete. I do well often, sometimes I have bad games sometimes i have good games. I would rather fight guys at 5500 and have a challenge then just curb stomp guys who struggle to stay positive in every game. I don't think the players are being genuine when they say they "just want to relax and have a laid back time" when they pvp. They really want to get a 5.0 KD stomping guys who are not as good at the game as them. If they genuinely wanted to relax and mess around, they could go into a private match with friends or people from LFG and set up some custom fun rules and have a good time. Most just want an easy 5.0 KD and an easy top of the scoreboard in a playlist game. The only problem I see with skill based match making is when it puts 1-2 guys who are Unbroken and top tier, with 4-5 guys who aren't so good at pvp to balance out overall skill points/ELO or whatever against a team full of above average guys who aren't quite at unbroken level. Then it sucks for the team with 2 highly skilled players since they all have a crappy time getting smashed since the 2 guys can't carry through all the feeding. It'd be better if they put people of all similar skill levels together not averaging the skill of the entire team.[/quote]Its this simple. Being good at the game doesnt mean you get punished with endless sweat all the time. Being bad at the game doesnt mean you get bungies hand holding safe space bubble. Theres nothing wrong necessarily with [u]some[/u] pvp being sbmm There is a [b]big[/b] issue when it's taken over every playlist but the 1 hidden in a corner no one sees, currently there is NO social pvp for average and above players. At minimum half the playlists must be swapped to CBMM and those need to be as apparant as the sbmm ones ie the largest icons in the middle of the cruicble directory. Rumble? Banner? Comp? Sbmm is fine, even a single 6vs6 playlist is fine. But overall 6vs6 represents a casual pvp setting - so why on earth are current 6s games sweatier then 5500 comp? Those modes should be pure cbmm. Bungie have turned the "competitive" playlist into a joke and have social modes as the competitive ones which is beyond backwards. Player numbers have also gone down accordingly as they have each time sbmm has been tried - and led to its eventual removal.

This is a bit hypocrticial. Both the top 1%er and the bottom 1%er are playing for the same title and the same rewards, so why cater to the lesser skilled? Given that we are playing for the same rewards, should we not match based on connection?

I agree, I noticed the fun police crying about sbmm everyday. Lucky I’m not his clan leader because I would’ve kicked him out. Unbroken players complaining about sbmm should have their titles stripped. His stats aren’t even that good

The dwindling daily playerbase says it’s not working. As a matter of fact it’s having an opposite effect. And it has nothing to do with “curbstomping noobs” Friends, clanmates of different skill levels can’t play together. Control queue times definitely outweigh actual playtime. IB is just completely screwed up. The lockout mechanic just needs to be removed. And don’t even get started with this games broken algorithms of “teammates”. It’s like I get paired with ppl who don’t even have their screens turned on. And I’m not a “sweat”! SBMM in this game is A$$. Always has been.

If Top Tier players just want to stomp... Then trash ones like you just want their hand held... SBMM has taken over and number have fallen. SBMM in everything punishes players for not being trash. You know how pathetic players have to be to whine about top tier players just cause they are losing in a game? Top tier players now have sweatier matches and longer queue times for the same rewards the bad players do. Imaging implementing such an idiotic belief in the PvE side. 100k being threshold for all the PvE players that have gotten it before just to get the same loot pool all the other players get? Want the same raid gear? Finish it flawless... Etc...

You know what would be better? [b]Choice.[/b] And not the kind that divides the player pool Something Bungie was able to provide back in Reach [b]9 years ago.[/b]