Based on what I've read, OP doesn't understand that equal opportunity does not guarantee an equal outcome, and has a participation trophy mindset about an endgame competitive PVP playlist. You're talking into the wind here.

Actually no I fully understand what I’m talking about. Yea equal opportunity doesn’t mean and equal outcome. That’s why stating that eventually everyone would reach there goal means that they will play over 100 matches or so get pissed get frustrated want to quit and probably will quit but they are able to keep playing if they want to with the wins they have gotten if any. If I could just play trials I would play it all day if the loss counter is gone. I wouldn’t care how many times I lost because I know eventually I’ll get a win and if I don’t win I count it as practice figure out where I messed up and do better next time. As it sits now and anyone loses one match you have to start over all over again which no one wants to do. They will get pissed quit and never come back or never play trials anymore limiting how many people play. Trying to inflate the player count by forcing people to play trials because of an objective is not the way to go about it because oh look at that they got to the forums to complain and want bungie to change it. Wow shocker.

While I agree with you that making Trials a requirement for anything outside of the Trials triumphs and seal is tone deaf on Bungie's part - believe me, I don't want to go in there for my MMXX title or the boots' glow - Trials isn't designed for the people you're describing. It's designed for people who can and want to [i]compete[/i] for wins, not merely [i]accumulate[/i] wins; and for people who understand that betterment typically begins with repeated failures, not merely spinning the wheel and hoping the best will eventually come.

Considering it doesn’t make you anymore special than anyone else sure. That’s the way it should be treated. It’s called being fair and balance. Trials and comp would be the same shit you have been playing but more people would play because they are not being discouraged from being able to achieve the goal they set out to do. I can’t play trials anyways because it’s only available during the weekend I work weekends from 6 to 6. I wouldn’t play anyways because trials is the exact same shit shown it was in destiny 1 and what trials of the nine were. Only a certain minority of players could play and causal players were unable to play. Which resorted in ddossing and so on so bad players could get relative good gear to be on par with everyone else. So if the way you see is that you need to be “special” well expect more people to pay for carries or ddossing and so on. If everyone could simply play and not be asses about it there would be no complaining and no one would have a problem. To circumvent a problem and make your player base happy it would be best to allow the majority of the player base to play and not discourage them from playing. To do so loss counter gone I see more people playing trials because they will reach there goal eventually. If you have to feel “special”. You want you adapt gear ok it’s the same as the normal gear in all stats just a different color and the word adapt tagged on to it if you get flawless with no losses. There how’s the feel for being “special”. But allow other people to play by getting rid of the loss counter is the best thing bungie can do instead of making trials an objective for this years solstice armor. Cause if I wanted the armor I would have to pay someone to play my profile to get it because I work on the weekends. I don’t have time to sit on my ass and play video games. I’m trying to earn money. So like I said go ahead tell me you don’t want causal players to play. Because they won’t play as long as bungie and players like your refuse to admit that trials and comp being made how they are is and will always be the worst decision ever made of all time. As much as you say no you want them to play that’s what it’s not coming across as or you would simply agree with me and move on. But no your trying to say getting rid of the loss counter wouldn’t make me feel “special” because I got all this gear the hard way. Yea I felt the same after almost every single update when bungie eventually gave away what I worked hard for but I didn’t care because I meant more people have the same weapon so they could be on par with there friends or random people that join for raids and what have you. I got lunas and not forgotten. I see why they were over used and more or less still are to my knowledge and the simple tweak to how fast you could fire the weapon was needed. They are still good you just have to time your shots. That’s it. You can no longer spam them.

You need to step away from the game if it makes you this upset honestly.

Ngl, I'm not gonna read a light novel on the forums

So you are a moron, gotcha. "I can't read a few paragraphs because I am an idiot who gets triggered by more than 3 lines.". What a sorry state of modern men and women that a few paragraphs are too much to read.

On a forum about a video game, yes. I'm not going to spend 30 minutes reading and then replying to a massive rant. Writing concisely is a skill.

Oh, so your willing to give someone attitude over a game and dismiss them but you cannot be bothered to read what is less than a 1 minute read? That is a copout and you are a pathetic person.

[quote]Oh, so your willing to give someone attitude over a game and dismiss them but you cannot be bothered to read what is less than a 1 minute read? That is a copout and you are a pathetic person.[/quote] Considering the dude doesn't like any opinion but his own. I'm not surprised UnderBridge hit him with attitude.

[quote]Oh, so your willing to give someone attitude over a game and dismiss them but you cannot be bothered to read what is less than a 1 minute read? That is a copout and you are a pathetic person.[/quote] I dismissed him out of him coming across as everyone deserves a participation trophy.

Your playing a game that is nothing but a participation trophy. Do you think the pixels make you good?

[quote]Your playing a game that is nothing but a participation trophy. Do you think the pixels make you good?[/quote] Nah. Maintaining the cleanliness of a nursing home and assisting the residents within does. But this game needs to be more fun and anyone trying to casualise the game further is destroying that. Jericho's approach is destructive instead of productive.

No, you are destroying this game, you are destroying this game because for you this game is the only way you do not feel like a fat loser. Go back to your janitorial work and stop looking to a video game to compensate for the fact that you are an unhappy fatty, you a twinkie devouring loser.

[quote]No, you are destroying this game, you are destroying this game because for you this game is the only way you do not feel like a fat loser. Go back to your janitorial work and stop looking to a video game to compensate for the fact that you are unhappy that you a twinkie devouring loser.[/quote] You're going to need something better than insults little man. Twinkie huh? That's bland , maybe American? . No effort from a non factor. How boring and expected. I'm destroying this game for trying to preserve something of value within it?. I guess insulting me is your only attack because you're not smart enough to challenge me any other way.

Further more, twinkie boy, what are you preserving? A game system where loser players get to go up against even less skilled players so the loser contingent can feel like they are skilled? Flawless is an example of bad matchmaking because statistically, no one should go flawless in 7 games. The mere fact that trials allow that means they are not matchmaking.

[quote]Further more, twinkie boy, what are you preserving? A game system where loser players get to go up against even less skilled players so the loser contingent can feel like they are skilled? Flawless is an example of bad matchmaking because statistically, no one should go flawless in 7 games. The mere fact that trials allow that means they are not matchmaking.[/quote] Preserving that feeling that people get when they reach a goal they never thought they would. You'd know this if you're apparently so "great" at life.

Little man? I would drop you fat ass like a bag of lard. Does it hurt that you can't run more than 10 feet without huffing and puffing like an old man who eats cigs? Challenge you? What challenge? You think making a dumb game more for your liking and thus making it appeal to less people is helping the game. Lol, no wonder you are a janitor. In the US I can talk to you like your crap because YOU ARE A JANITOR! Your life is a participation trophy, you virgin.

[quote]Little man? I would drop you fat ass like a bag of lard. Does it hurt that you can't run more than 10 feet without huffing and puffing like an old man who eats cigs? Challenge you? What challenge? You think making a dumb game more for your liking and thus making it appeal to less people is helping the game. Lol, no wonder you are a janitor. In the US I can talk to you like your crap because YOU ARE A JANITOR! Your life is a participation trophy, you virgin.[/quote] Yep challenge. You're about as fluent in insults as Trump is in being honest. Virgin? The age old attempt to anger a male. But if you must know I'm not a virgin. Participation trophy for caring for the elderly good one. Drop me? How to take that.......Threat or laughable joke. Not sure yet. But I'll let you keep ranting little raging man.

You mean cleaning out crap from elderly people because you can't get a higher paying job? Cleaning up their puke because you cannot get a better paying job. You are a virgin and it stings. The fact that you tried to defend yourself from that remark proves it is true. Well, I am an instructor at Richmond MMA, so yeah, I would drop you easily. :D You are a joke, loser. You think you have value because your "good" at a crappy game. That makes you a loser. Video games are time wasters. They aren't something people should derive ego validation.