[quote]Yes. But there needs to be balance. There needs to be give and take.. Example. Low armor for high speed. High armor for low speed. [/quote] Then Armor has to count for something, as it stands it barely counts for anything. Being able to take an extra hit from a side arm, or barely survive a trip mine/shoulder charge isn't enough imho. Not when increased agility can spare you from being hit with these things in the first place. I agree Jug is cheap and I don't think many think otherwise, but what bothers me is how everyone glosses over skip grenades. Does everything the dreaded firebolt did but also chases people across the map. Compare that to how much bitching we see about Jug/Titans in general and more recently Thunderstrike. It's very easy to see which demographic is vastly over represented on this board. Why is that I wonder? You don't need to answer that because we all know people always take the path of least resistance, that shit always rolls down hill. Easy to see why Bungie ignores the popular opinion of these forums in many cases. The vast majority are biased, and couldn't balance their cheque book, let alone a game with such an amount of variables. I love my hunter, but the people that main the class are some of the most hypocritical shit bags going. Everything they do is the epitome of skill, yet anything used against them is broken and needs nerfed.