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10/23/2014 10:37:16 PM
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Because the moral world of the everyday does not readily transfer to the world of video games.
Games present objectives. The only restriction on how one achives those objectives is the code - and not any moral code. Cheating is breaking the rules. You can't break the rules of a video game without changing the program itself.
If people wish to play the game that way, that is there choice. That you do not approve is irrelevant. They only require the approval of the games logic.
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It's a game.. False reality within a consoles.
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Never thought of it that way, but this is a really good argument that seems reasonable to me
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Thanks - It does suffer from the valid criticism that certain actions will carry over to the everday world - i.e. leaderboards in PvP. But I definitely believe that in the absence of "real world" consequences beyond butthurt, "cheating" in games is not even a gray area.
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I have re-read the first part of your post Mr. Edwards, I wonder, do you check your beliefs and moral compass at the door when you enter a video game world? I know I both do and don't...for the purposes of self-disclosure.
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No, but my moral compass does not have a big red North on the dial. For me morality is a heuristic device for negotiating the world of human interactions. Where the consequences of an action will play out is one of the more important guidelines. In game consequences that impinge imperceptibly on the lives of others - such as pushing Atheon of the edge, hardly seem worth concerning myself about. Do I cheese Atheon? No. The pleasure I attain from the game is not based simply upon the gaining of loot. I actually enjoy the fight and the teamwork.
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So boosting in CoD isnt cheating because no game code is being altered? Get out.
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Bieltan, you must understand what Edwards did was used logic to backup his argument. Edwards avoided stating the obvious and got strait to his point. However, since you have missed the obvious, let me fill you in. Religious people believe they have a moral compass, because god gave them one. Non-religious people believe in moral compasses as a evolutionary trait that allowed humans to survive, and not only survive, but thrive as a species. The point - everyone contains a moral compass of some sort of level. Player enter the game with basic moral compasses. However, what becomes right and wrong greatly becomes skewed due to the fact that actuality and virtuality are two entirely different universes. Someone who pushes Atheon off a ledge in a game is not likely to in turn, go steal from Wal-Mart, mug a old lady, or murder someone. Real life comes with ramifications and those ramifications are not completely present in the world of virtuality.
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Cheating is cheating. If you really think internet anonymity excuses people, then you have a severe lack of empathy.
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Boosting is an real world moral principle imposed upon the game world as people believe that their leaderboard position is important. I don't care about my leaderboard position, I don't care if people agree to shoot each other. I would care that someone had modded there machine or introduced programs which give them an advantage if I am competing against them.
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Bingo. Couldn't have put it any better.
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Editado por ReesesPieces101: 10/23/2014 10:56:24 PMWhat they're doing is going around the game's logic which is cheating/exploiting.
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You can't go around the games logic. The actions they are doing are supported by the games logic. That is why bungie have to actually patch the game - they have to change the games logic to stop these activities.
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I agree with you.
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Editado por dabushka: 10/23/2014 11:21:43 PMCheating / exploiting are two different things. Hacking Shaq in an NBA game is an EXPLOIT. Dude cant make free throws. But its not CHEATING. Pushing Atheon off is an exploit. But why do you even care if someone else has the mythoclast? Its not like they stole it from you. If you want one too, then I say go push him off until they patch it.
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Yeah when gamers hacked GTAOnline...it was way more fun. Where the F UCK are all the hackers for this game? lol
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So by that logic, you would say that a professional baseball player who uses a performance enhancing drug, which is not yet banned, is not cheating too?
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No. By my logic I would say exactly what I said above. "Cheating" in video games is not the same as "cheating" in the everyday world. To cheat in video games require you to make an ontological adjustment to the world. It would be like a baseball altering the fundamental physics of the universe.
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I disagree with you, but...serious points for "ontological." I was beginning to think all posters were monosyllabic cretins.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Philosophy has really helped me to be a more articulate and if I say, voluptuous(heheh...) user. Glad to see others being able to use critical thinking to prove or disprove a point. My philosophy professor is so good at arguing, that he can argue that Hitler was right and no one In our class can argue against him. The struggle on this forum is that all logic becomes null. You can have one of the most formally written and well thought out posts regarding a position on a subject in the game, and people will reply with "This is stupid, your stupid, go die".
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Don't they do that anyway lol. Besides he was talking about video game logic. Why are you trying to discredit him with idiotic arguments. Who cares if the morality of gamers becomes compromised. Its a damn game.
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I'm pretty sure he specifically stated 'video games'. Not that that logic works everywhere in life.
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At least someone grasps the basic conceptual distinction that was the entire thrust of my post.
