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11/27/2022 3:35:03 PM
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Warframe is 1000x more grindy than destiny. ( and yes I grinded vauban prime via that random surprise missions). I sat riding the platinum market selling prime parts under cutting other people selling them, I sat for hours using an unkillable character grinding for a change for a weapon part to build a weapon, I grinded boss event for hours on end for rare mats. D2 and warframe are different animals.
Destiny is an easy kick back and enjoy game (imo) while Warframe can be a full time job.
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Destiny is an easy kick back and enjoy? Compared to Warframe? Lmao. Warframe easily has way less FOMO and better pro player systems put in place. You can stop playing for a year and come back with all content still there for you.
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Ummm grind a prime frame before they get vaulted for an unknown amount of time. Or spend plat in the black market. Or grind these mods before they leave or spend 10k Plat in the black market for them 6 months from now Grind this weapon before the blueprints leave or pay me 10 bucks. Come on, warframe is just as tricky as all the rest. Don't be fooled.
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Editado por GIVE EM HELLBOY: 11/27/2022 6:42:02 PMWhat mods are 10k plat? Do you even play the game? And I guess rotating primes are FOMO? But they are rotated out so the relic pools dont get oversaturated to the point where you are unable to find a relic with parts you want for long periods of time. But they dont go away permanently anyway, they always come back. So you arent gonna miss out for long, unlike in Destiny. And what weapon blueprints get permanently removed? Are you trying to refer to the Ignis Wraith controversy? That has long been solved. Wake up and realize Destiny 2 is more predatory lmao.
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There are skins, mods and other items that are heavily valued in the game that no longer given out outside of special offers or events. Even if you wanted to hunt riven mods,those can get rather pricey as well in the open market. Don't you need to spend plat to even hold them in inventory? I used to have to use a spreadsheet to follow the pricing scales of riven mods to make sure I wasn't getting ripped off. I sold an opticor riven mod for 2500 plat back in the day. Sure you can grind 2500 plat or spend real money to get plat. Goto the warframe market place and check out some of the highest selling items currently.
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Excalibur Prime is the only thing that comes to mind for me. I wouldnt doubt that there are some exclusive skins earned in a certain way. Whatever skins they are, I wouldnt know.
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Warframe sucks
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Better than Destiny
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No it isnt, even damaged destiny 2 is still better than trashy1000xgrindyframe
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Then youre delusional. It has better systems and is more player friendly.
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Wrong, Damaged destiny 2 is better because it has better online gameplay, and has waaaaaay better loot system, armor and weapons, warframe is all about mods and frames thats it, so bad, not only that these mods are sooo hard to get
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Thats all subjective. Warframe has a tangible power fantasy and is player friendly. Crafting allows you to get what you need without heavy rng. Destinys goal is to continuously keep you grinding with FOMO and monotonous activities. Warframe does not.
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Lol that is incorrect information, warframe is 1000x more grindy than destiny 2, destiny 2 is better made, and more balanced, and does warframe have pvp? no (well it does but its really terrible) and more better missions than warframe.
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Editado por GIVE EM HELLBOY: 11/27/2022 11:13:46 PMIts clear to me that you are dead set on just sucking Destiny off. You are just spouting nonsense and have 0 clue as to what misinformation means. Have a good day.
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Oh so you dont wanna admit that warframe is 1000x grindy than destiny 2, even the warframe community agrees its a lot grindy than destiny 2?
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That was never my original argument you troglodyte. Good day.
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Warframe suffers from the same problem Destiny does. 1. Removed content - Not as much as Destiny but still removed all those raids. 2. New player experience is garbage. 3. Lack of quest streamlining making it confusing on what quests you need to do without looking at a wiki. For problems Warframe has that Destiny doesn't have... 1. Mobile tier forge crafting mechanics 2. what feels like hundreds of different resources making it confusing to find the specific resource you need unless you look at a wiki 3. Feature creep with lots of different facets just thrown onto a pile with little to no explanation to the player, 2 hours in and you are being thrown at weapons, warframes, archwings, pets, companions, mods, crafting, relics etc. Too much too quickly confuses the player and gets them to quit. 4. Major power creep to the point you can just press 1 button and clear an entire room without needing to look or shoot or anything. The major difference that Warframe has to Destiny is that you do not get actual loot from killing enemies 90% of the time its a blueprint or resources. For loot games players usually prefer getting their loot from the enemy they kill rather than resources or a blueprint they then use and have to wait half a day to multiple days to craft a single weapon or warframe.
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On the loot part, Destiny doesnt even give meaningful loot from enemies. Borderlands lets you get a few dozen guns along with pearleacent rarity gear (which is very rare) from Crawmerax the Invincible (raid boss). What does Destiny do? Gives you loot at the end of an activity completion and locks you out for the week... amazing. So I guess the takeaway here is to bother with neither Warframe or Destiny, just play Borderlands! But Ill take Warframe over Destiny any day. The raids in that game were hated, and taken back to the drawing board, and the mobile crafting is a non issue.
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[quote]Destiny doesnt even give meaningful loot from enemies.[/quote] That's subjective but the I was more referring to when you get something dropped in Destiny its an item you can pickup and use right away unlike Warframe. [quote]Borderlands lets you get a few dozen guns along with pearleacent rarity gear (which is very rare) from Crawmerax the Invincible (raid boss)[/quote] Eventually Borderlands 2 runs its course and you've done everything, sure you can replay it but you can only replay something like that so many times. Destiny is actively updated like Warframe so BL isn't a good comparison. But the rest of the Borderlands franchise isn't as good as 2. 3 doesn't have Pearls or anything beyond legendaries. Borderlands 1 pearls had no use because by the time you got them you completed everything. [quote]What does Destiny do? Gives you loot at the end of an activity completion and locks you out for the week... amazing.[/quote] That only applies to raids and you can still farm spoils and purchase items you have dropped in the raid at the end as many times as you want. [quote]So I guess the takeaway here is to bother with neither Warframe or Destiny, just play Borderlands! But Ill take Warframe over Destiny any day. The raids in that game were hated, and taken back to the drawing board, and the mobile crafting is a non issue.[/quote] "taken back to the drawing board" you mean removed. Mobile crafting is quite an issue its a cheap mechanic to try and get you to either spend money if you are impatient or make you log in just to claim an item you've already earned. Oh, I almost forgot about the even more scummy mobile mechanic having to buy slots.
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Editado por GIVE EM HELLBOY: 11/27/2022 5:29:52 PMYou seem to forget that you can make a few trades and buy stuff without paying a real penny. Slots are a negative if you are unwilling to trade yeah. I agree. But then we have Destiny, which is advertised as free to play, when most of the content isnt free to play. Couple that with tons of FOMO garbage? Yeah Id say its more anti player than Warframe will ever be. And as for Borderlands, yeah... the chase for pearls and hybrids is the endgame for the first one. Do you stop playing Destiny when you are "just powerful enough"? You can sure, but then youd be missing out on endgame power. The second one has a more sophisticated endgame with OP levels. Then 3 and Tiny Tinas improve the endgame loop a bit more. Pearls have basically been replaced by other effects on weapons in the last two, which is a bummer imo.
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Editado por xbroggiex: 11/28/2022 5:50:46 AM"But you can trade!!!" Players shouldn't have to go out of their way to farm items and then figure out a market economy just for basic fundamental game features like slots. Oh and you are limited on how many trades you can make, even if you don't use all of them at once its still about the principle. [quote]But then we have Destiny, which is advertised as free to play, when most of the content isnt free to play. Couple that with tons of FOMO garbage? Yeah Id say its more anti player than Warframe will ever be.[/quote] Destiny never was advertised as Free to Play, New Light is a demo/trial/entry point and was advertised as such. Warframe was also a game in development way before Destiny 2 and doesn't rely as heavily on uniquely handcrafted zones as Warframe just uses procedually generated levels in 90% of cases. Removing content will become necessary for any game after years of content releases, its not ideal but you can only optimise file size so much before its like squeezing blood from a stone. [quote]and as for Borderlands, yeah... the chase for pearls and hybrids is the endgame for the first one. Do you stop playing Destiny when you are "just powerful enough"? You can sure, but then youd be missing out on endgame power.[/quote] Problem is there is no future content to actually use the gear on and it only has 1 actual raid boss in the first game meaning the loot is pretty much pointless to farm for and you can only get it from 2 sources for pearls which are both equally boring. Destiny consistently adds new content and challenges every season so gear you earn can be used in new content. Also, you ain't missing out on much of the "endgame" power of BL1 when there is no content to use it in at that point in the game. [quote]The second one has a more sophisticated endgame with OP levels. Then 3 and Tiny Tinas improve the endgame loop a bit more. Pearls have basically been replaced by other effects on weapons in the last two, which is a bummer imo.[/quote] Borderlands 2 was the only good borderlands game the rest are marred by horrid loot systems and poor story writing making it -blam!- experience to play. BL3 made it even worse when you can hit max level by the end of the first playthrough making the second literally pointless to play since it doesn't give you anything actually better or unique items tied to it.
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Editado por GIVE EM HELLBOY: 11/28/2022 3:03:11 PMIm just saying the option is there to play for free if youre willing to engage with the playerbase. The market isnt rocket science lmao. I shouldnt have to engage with Crucible to get certain weapons for PvE.... tomato tamoto... Yes... Destiny is indeed advertised as free to play. It says it on the front page of every storefront. No tip toeing around that one. How many new players will actually do research and find out its a glorified trial mode? I have seen numerous discussions about people getting friends to play, only to be met with a $200+ paywall... The Borderlands conversation is pretty much getting nowhere. You have very valid points about those games being incomparable to Destiny. I just find them to be a much more enjoyable experience, despite the lack of endgame. Story was never a major focus for me, so BL3 doesnt bother me. However I will say this, Tiny Tinas does have a pretty good story imo. I actually paud attention, and the whole dynamic of Tina using the game as a coping mechanism is brilliant.
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Editado por xbroggiex: 11/28/2022 6:49:18 PMYou don't have to engage with crucible to get weapons for PvE. There is a whopping uh... 0 weapons in PvP that are exceptionally good in PvE well, in comparison to what you can get in PvE anyway. Warframe actively punishes the player by stunting their progression or having to remove items just to progress unless they pay up money, figure out how the market/trading system works which is still an archaic hot pile of steaming poo or get the very occasional 1-2 slots from farming Nightwave which resets every couple of months. The slots also applies to every item in the game and are not transferrable. So Warframe slots cannot be used for weapons and vice versa. There is too many different slot things you can purchase its a headache from Warframes, weapons, rivens, archwings, pets, companions, operator arm braces to void rigs(I think?) and probably more I can't even think of. [quote]Yes... Destiny is indeed advertised as free to play. It says it on the front page of every storefront. No tip toeing around that one. How many new players will actually do research and find out its a glorified trial mode? I have seen numerous discussions about people getting friends to play, only to be met with a $200+ paywall...[/quote] Blame Steam and other storefronts for not being able to accurately depict what it is. For most players you can literally see there is paid expansion content right there on the store front of every place. Nothing is truly ever free. [quote]The Borderlands conversation is pretty much getting nowhere. You have very valid points about those games being incomparable to Destiny. I just find them to be a much more enjoyable experience, despite the lack of endgame. Story was never a major focus for me, so BL3 doesnt bother me. However I will say this, Tiny Tinas does have a pretty good story imo. I actually paud attention, and the whole dynamic of Tina using the game as a coping mechanism is brilliant.[/quote] Yeah, Borderlands is definitely a fun game I'm was just saying its not a very good comparison to Destiny in terms of loot and content, since Destiny is going for an MMO-lite approach of a game while BL is a online/local 4 player coop shooter. Borderlands eventually reaches the end of their content releases for each game then moves onto the next one. Bungie has changed the original plan of Destiny to try to be an actual MMO that expands 'forever' until they feel they are finished with the game or it dies. For Tiny Tina's they pretty much went over that story beat in the BL2 DLC, I haven't played Wonderlands and I doubt I'll will ever play Wonderlands due to how they did the DLC for that game.
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Warframe sucks, Destiny 2 outstands it, im MR 30 Legendary in warframe, and wow, just wow, soooo grindy and bad
