I genuinely love how all the complaints these people have against CBMM are literally the exact same shit we dealt with when SBMM was on so thick. CBMM or SBMM to me has always been the same. *Your team either stomps or gets stomped. *Half your team are brain dead dolts and the enemy team is on next level top tier adderal. *The consistency of your bullets will flip 50/50 throughout the match where you can go from dropping people like clockwork to spilling 60 rounds into a person's face just to have them kill you like nothing even happened. *Everyone runs the same 3 meta garbage guns and subclasses *Lag lag lag the lag is God awful *Getting killed behind walls, through walls, off of spawn, mercy, error codes and more lag. *The "lol my auto rifle goes brrrr and it get kills" guy. Lone ranger shotgun rusher with a 50k+ kills Mindbender or Felwinter who slides on his ass so much his armor has completely worn down to the point you can actually see is worn out ass cheeks. That degenerate Bastion guy. Team Only use Mountain Top. The "lol the game aims for me" Revoker dude. The only difference I've seen with CBMM is that I got an odd ball here and there using guns I haven't seen in ages. Saw a dude running Sturm and Drang and saw another running Mida and Uriel's. Blast from the last eh?

No way taking sbmm out made the game so much more fun practise in private matches and learn the maps why do you think iron banner was so popular

It's all because Streamers cried so hard, that they have to sweat every match. Now we must suffer because bungies money was in peril. If streamers leave players follow and that hurts bungie somehow. So removing SBMM to "help connectivity" is a lie. As Bungie does on the regular anymore. SBMM was removed because Twitch and Youtube players didn't like sweats every match. What bungie needs is a total revamp of PvP in general. PvP needs two mode, ranked and unranked ranked for sweats(trials/comp) with SBMM unranked for fun. (QP) SBMM no points or anything Ranked matches should default loadouts to being only white level gear, no supers, no abilities. True Skill.

You're right. PvP is not fun anymore. Why? 1. Loot hasn't been updated in 2 years; 2. Auto metas blow (personal opinon); 3. 140 and 110 RPM HCs and scouts need a buff, as well as other archetypes (objective fact); 4. You can do everything right and be faster than your opponent and land the first shot, and still get your head taken off by their sniper rifle; and 5. Teams matching solos. Especially those pathetic stacks that haven't solo queued in months, if ever. [i]THOSE[/i] are the issues, not SBMM. Fact is CBMM made more people come back to PvP and [i]stay[/i] in PvP. However, there does need to be improvements in the matchmaking department. Teams vs teams is a big one, and outlier protection might be nice too. Another idea would be a sytem that evaluates both skill and connection, but allows the player to choose the priority at which they are evaluated. So a player's potential pool of players would not be limited to players that made the same choice as they did.

Nobody is ever going to agree on this subject and most are too big of internet as*holes to admit it. I'd personally prefer to play people on my skill level regardless of the playlist. It's a game, not some PVP playoffs where money is at stake. There are zero legitimate reasons anyone should have to "get good" to play a video game for fun. Not one. If people want a ranked playlist they should be asking for one instead of being d*cks to people who aren't interested in anything like that. But this is the Destiny forum in all its glory so buckle up, it's a wild ride. It's pretty clear that ole Smith is gonna do as he pleases and nobody will stand in his way. The game itself is functioning poorly on its foundation anyway. Who knows what'll happen to it this next Fall. For instance, amd I'm on xbox btw, dismounting a sparrow in certain locations is X, others X doesnt work, and it's A. Lol, good luck out there.

As much as I respect your opinion and I truly do , let me highlight something that rarely gets addressed . The reason players that naturally consider themselves “Average “ or slightly below are upset with CBMM is that some of their belief in theirselves get shattered or at least cracked . They say all they want to do is have fun and enjoy the PvP experience but what they are really saying is they want to be able to compete against their peers . Think about that for a moment . It is fun to you because every now and then you are able to one up another player, finish at the top of the Leader board, or look at the end screen and see a ridiculous K/D with your name next to it . The same things that drives you , drives everyone else . Now, if you can accept your level of fun is correlated with your ability to compete , then you can understand where other players that are just slightly better than you fall and so on and so forth . I never found it derogatory to tell another player to concentrate on getting better if their ultimate goal is to have fun competing against their peers. I would never use “Get Gud” though. You want to be competitive , so be competitive . A lot of unknown players are just as good as some of the PvP streamers . They want to compete just as you do , they just want it more . Get in there and take your lumps against better competitors . You will get better and you will have just as much fun . The only difference is that you know you held up against players that normally would have steamrolled you weeks earlier . That is my pep talk for today . Average players for the win !!!!

The only thing "not healthy" are the participation trophies and safe spaces you must have got as a kid You are NOT entitled to a separate pvp que in casual modes, you are NOT entitled to success at pvp because you bought the game, you earn it like every single better player did. Sbmm was killing the game and had been for a year, you don't get better with that type of mm - you stagnate or worse, derank. It's far better as is

100000% agree with every word you wrote. if sbmm dosent return to 6v6 by beyond light , i wont be playing much longer either.

Bro, hate to break it to you, but your stats are up from seasons where there was SBMM .. so.. nice Facts vs feelings

I wonder if its the new coke thing. They can't improve PVP, so make things suck for a while then when they switch it back it will seem like an improvement? I'm not having fun either. Sometimes I enjoy playing better players to try and learn from them, but trying to complete bounties is a bit of a nightmare. IB for instance I can still get through most of the bounties in an evening after work, but it's not fun. I basically have to use one hit weapon to get kills now rather than the weapons I want to use. I've been trying to do my weekly bounties for the bright dust, but it's pretty miserable for the most part. If people are enjoying it then let them have fun for a while.

git gud