PC doesn't have mouthbreathers, that's a console exclusive.

Who cares? Play on the console you enjoy and where your friends are. Stop worrying about other consoles

Always makes me laugh when i see how little recoil the guns have on PC. They are firing the recluse at scout rifle ranges lol

The thing is though... Recoil isn't why you get a worlds first. Especially when managing recoil on console is pretty easy. Correlation ≠ causation. PC has lower recoil, but it's not easier to beat a raid because of it, most targets are so big that it doesn't make a difference. PC now gets most worlds first because that's where most of the best players went. For reasons of their own

Bungie is supposed to be announcing cross save today. The leak says Xbox and PC, but PS4 is not known yet. If PS4 is included, I'm switching.

I know this sounds silly, but I almost got it done first day on xbox Problem was the people I lfg'd with for the first attempt all got off early, and the second attempt with a different group didn't end well as they weren't as good as my friend and I

Eh. The aim isn't really be big advantage they have. It's the movement capabilities and framerate that actually allows PC to take Destiny to a whole new level. They can do everything faster and move faster than all of us. That's the real advantage. Don't get me wrong; PC recoil and whatnot really helps. But that alone doesn't get you to world's first. Best players are there and are taking full advantage of the system's capabilities.

2 races 1 for PC and 1 for console would actually make sense and that's just not the bungie way

Well here's the thing. You're on a console. That's like someone driving a for fiesta yelling at a man driving a ferrari "That's not fair".

Honestly I agree that console is at a disadvantage and personally think the races should be separated, but I don't agree with a lot of other things here. For example, that "lazer aim" isn't something that comes naturally. Playing on a mouse and keyboard is [i]far[/i] less intuitive than playing controller. How do I know this? Well it just so happens I played D1 through its whole life and spent most of the first year before Warmind released playing on console. The first time I picked up a controller it was like clockwork, heck it basically tries to guide you directly to your targets. A lot of the times this does cause an issue, but in the long run it makes the game a lot easier to play, at least from my personal experience. On the other hand you have mouse and keyboard, where various keys do various things and your hand goes into a very odd position for most people. Let me tell you this, the moment I started that first mission on my PC I couldn't aim for my life. I sat in there for a while, and after struggling through it ultimately finished, but [i]still[/i] was learning how to aim. It took me a good month or more to figure it out, and even more time to realize that I could control my recoil (it exists btw, it's just a lot easier for us to control by pulling down on the mouse). After all that, I finally was ready on PC. With that in mind let's compare my two situations: First time picking up a controller and using it was for Halo: Reach (which had a [b]very[/b] similar feeling control wise to D1 and D2 on console) whereas my first time on PC happened to be Destiny 2. Console? Well let me tell you none of the enemies near me were left standing after about 30 seconds of figuring out how to aim. PC? After a good 30 minutes I finally figured out how to move my mouse properly to shoot things on the body. Am I just bad? Maybe, but who cares. This happened to a lot of people who swapped over to PC and had to relearn everything. Console is pretty self-intuitive whereas PC, well who tf thought of all these random keys to do these random things anyway? I jest, but you get the point. Feel free to argue it and I'll listen to what you have to say. Have a good one!

Is there some advantage to mouse and keyboard vs controller? I would argue yes, but many people would argue opposite. As others in this thread have pointed out, the major difference is that the majority of the best players are on PC - there's just no two ways about it. Playing DESTINY on console is a little like riding a bike with the training wheels on. It's a lot more forgiving on console, but the top end is much higher on PC. If you think in terms of math, the median player skill is the same, but PC allow the high and low ends to be higher and lower because you don't have things like aim assist. If your absolutely horrible at the game, your gonna do better on console than on PC. If you play the game for a living, your skill cap is going to be higher on PC. You see these numbers play out. Alot of people in my discord link their console and PC accounts to the discord stats bots. Every single one of them has better stats in console because the average player is just worst ( more casual ) on console. Look, consoles cater to a more casual audience than PC... That's always been the case.

ppl playing on pc arent that casual and tehy are also more skilled than console console in built aim assist destroyed teh players reflexes

move to pc then 🙄

I think pc gets world first because most of the top players and streamers who get payed to play destiny moved to pc. That and I find that a lot of pc players are better than console players, not an insult to clarify.

What do you even want them to do? Give console pre nerf queenbreaker aim assist on every weapon and cap the framerate on PC to 15?