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7/8/2017 9:58:13 PM
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But they don't give them enough votes for their population. There are other ways of making sure that big states don't decide than the electoral college. The electoral college allows small states to rule the country, compared to their own population. Why is that fair?
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Dude California has something close to 60 I believe and that isn't enough? Trump won 30 of 50 states that should be more than enough to be a win.
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55 votes of 538, which is a lot, but it has 13% of the population, so it's isn't representative of its actual population. The problem is that you think that the president should be chosen by "the majority of states", not the majority of people, the problem is that FPTP for each state means that most people's votes do not count (3rd party votes included), so you can end up with Presidents that do not have the support of the people. Maybe a better system would be directly voting for the president like they do in France. Their system doesn't have the problems of the electoral college, and it's not just focused on the big cities.
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The thing is this is focused on the states. If the combined electoral votes reach 270 it is because those states voted for what they believe is best. This allows each state to be represented instead of the most densely populated areas deciding every election.
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But why should the states be given more of a say than the people? Its possible to win the electoral college with only 23% of the popular vote. How does that truly represent the people?
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How does it truly represent the people when New York and L.A. Decide what is best for everyone else? How do the people in the rest of the country get a say if the most densely populated areas (which 99% of the time have the same political opinion) decide what is best for them?
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Well Congress still exist, each state gets 2 senators regardless of their population, so state's voices will still be heard. Why shouldn't the majority of people select the President? Why should lesser populated states get more of a say(per person) in selecting both the President and in the Senate?
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The electoral college gives each state a voice in the election. Plain and simple.
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But why should the states decide not the people? Why do states get the right to decide? Why shouldn't the places with more people have more of a decision? Why should one person's vote be worth more than another's just due to where they live?
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Places with more people do have more of a decision. But like I said, this is a republic. Not a democracy. The states are what make up our country so it is necessary that, via the electoral college, they get a say in the election.
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Yes, I know the USA isn't a proper democracy. However I think a proper democracy would be better for everyone, if we designed government from the bottom up to be accountable to us, and I think the USA should, as with all countries, strive for that. I think we should have more local government, but I think the idea of states is historical and arbitrary, and not really fit for the 21st century.
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That's chronological snobbery right there buddy. Just because it's old doesn't make it stupid.
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I never said it's because it's old. I mean because states are arbitrary regions that have no relevance other than what people give to them. Some people have small states, so their state government is quite relevant and local to them. Other states like California and Texas are nearly countries in their own right, and so state government isnt local to them at all.
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Yes, I know the USA isn't a proper democracy. However I think a proper democracy would be better for everyone, if we designed government from the bottom up to be accountable to us, and I think the USA should, as with all countries, strive for that. I think we should have more local government, but I think the idea of states is historical and arbitrary, and not really fit for the 21st century.
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There's the House of Representatives m8
