[quote]But doesn't that mean you are forced to use a certain artifact because if you don't it will be like y1 again where thorn really didn't have any counters.[/quote] I'm not saying buff both the duration and dot damage one or the other, its alright that there is a counter to thorn, but this isn't so much a counter, that one artifact will most likely be the death for both thorn and sunsingers who love to do dot builds. I'll be the first to admit it I love dot builds and I don't mind there being a counter to it, but I still would like these types of builds to be viable. And as stated thorn without its dot is perhaps the worse exotic hand cannon in destiny

[quote]Thorn, because once that memory of silmar comes out it is going to be a water star with a bad set of perks and water star wasn't anything to write home about even with a good roll on perks. Either, buff the dot damage and duration slightly, buff the impact, or give it an additional effect alongside it's dot[/quote] .