As a software engineer with 28 years experience in aerospace writing embedded and real-time software for cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, tactical missiles, navigation for the 777 flight management computer, and IR and electro-optical trackers, I can say Bungie has done a decent job creating Destiny. Is it flawless! No, but the so-called bugs you allude to are not game breaking as other games have had. Bugs such as Fallout New Vegas and more recently in The Division that wiped out all saves. I personally experienced a bug in the Into the Pitt DLC that forced me to restart the game and lose about a hundred hours of gameplay. A Bungie presentation when Halo: Reach can out provided details of their network code, including the fact that it had over 250K lines of code. When Bungie split from Microsoft, all the code from the Halo franchise stated at Microsoft. Bungie rewrote everything from scratch. If they didn't, they could be sued. In my career, I have personally wrote code for a 0.5 second launch widow for two of the rocket flights I worked. These two flights also had to hit a point in space within 150 milliseconds or we would have failed the mission. In my experience, Bungie may have over reached in the pre-release comment, such as "See that, you can go there.". I would have to say at the time, that is how the game worked. Then as Bungie ported the game to the PS3 and Xbox 360, those things weren't possible. I have hundreds of hours of gameplay from Destiny. No other game comes close. I'd have to say that Bungie has delivered. Maybe not everything they originally promised, then again this journey is just getting started.

It was when Bungie so drastically altered the Vanilla game for those players who didn't buy TTK that I found appalling. It would be nice if they did accept responsibility for many of their errors, but its just not something Bungie has done at all with Destiny.

Yeah, I'm an engineer too, and I'm appalled by your post, not by Bungie....but thanks for the easy block!!

Plant tech with a cable company the game is fine.

As a cross dressing morbidly obese duck trainer im livid, but as an indian, hermaphrodite astronaut im all for it

Only one to blame is the ones who cry nerf, the game had its flaws in year one but made up for that once TTK was release. Than again the cries came back and screwed the game over again

I'm a marine/ nuclear engineer, the game is fine. Lots of multi player games have issues.

Lol. Like no physical product has [i]ever[/i] had design flaws. Cars don't get recalled, faulty wiring has never caused a fire, and the Tacoma Narrows Bridge is still standing. And behind it all are those paragons of humanity, the engineers (note: my father and 2 uncles are engineers). Shining knights who [u]never[/u] fail, and if one ever does, he/she immediately accepts blame and falls on their sword for the unspeakable shame they have brought upon their noble Order. We should all strive to embody human perfection like the OP does. (And just a wild guess, back before mechanical engineering principles had literally gone through millennia of testing, failure happened ever so slightly more often.)

Engineers own up their mistakes? As a carpenter, I call bullshit. At the first sign of trouble they're first reaction is [i]always [/i]to blame someone else. I have yet to see an Engineer or Architect own up to their mistake until there was no one else to blame...

And how many of your products can you re-manufacture in situ with minimal disruption to the customer? Can you completely re-design your product and remotely re-build it? That's the advantage that Software Engineers have over the rest of us Engineers. They can issue a patch or an update, no shipping, no assembly, and essentially re-make their product from scratch. Look at the TTK changes to the Tower and the implementation of infusion. That was a fundamental alteration to the game, that would be like sending out an email and all the cars you made suddenly have ceramic brakes and seats with better back support. They have this weird capability and it changes the frame of reference for the product. It is better for customers to have hands on with the product, perhaps earlier, but with some flaws. The customer pays for the ongoing support and patch work but gets a reasonably functional product early. The patch work can be developed from a much larger data set and tailored to customer demand. Plus it's not like mechanical or electrical engineering, the customer isn't going to risk death due to insufficient beam strength or underperforming brakes - they are just going to be mildly irritated at the bugs (or in some cases turn into irrational childish salt mines). Where software is concerned, a high iteration model is best. Software can be quickly adapted to suit customer needs and usage patterns in a way that traditionally engineered products cannot. For example it may not have crossed the minds of Bungie that SRL would be a mode people wanted yet they were able to adapt and respond to the demand. The more organic and responsive the development the better the end product. We are the selection pressure, we will drop software and move to a better option or turn to pirating if we are dissatisfied, in a way that we are far less likely to do with a bridge or a car. As long as we understand that we are buying the core ideas and functionality of our software products and that features, UIs, etc may have hiccups and may change suddenly then we can get on with enjoying the core product and exerting our influence in order to obtain the improvements we want. TL;DR applying traditional engineering approaches to software is far too restrictive for what the technology is capable of.

Haha another Joe know it all.

Say that to my Honda that had 3 recalls,2 of which can cause a fatal accident. Owning up to a mistake like that is only a small thing one can do when people's lives were at risk because of engineering mistakes.

What till ROI to male that statement

[spoiler]what if demolition engineers made this game?[/spoiler] [spoiler]not gaming engineers?[/spoiler]

I was behind you till you called me an IDIOT. So why don't you go blow yourself homo!