Seriously I'm tired of all these subclass and weapon buff/nerfs that completely mess with pve players Why should misty pve players like myself have to deal with all the pvp nerfs? Shotguns in pve while before weren't entirely the best, but they were still usable, see a fallen captain? Run up with a shotgun and he's gone. Now I have to be within melee range and usually barely scrape by or just get wrecked. Pve players shouldn't have to deal with the "weapon balances" and nerfs when they weren't the ones asking for them. Bungo really should give pve players some love every once in a while. Took away our nightfall loot for what reason? They make grinding more and more tedious. Don't even get me started about all the ascendant energy farmed in year 1 that are completely obsolete now. It doesn't make any sense why should pve players have to use the same weapons as pvp players bc every other gun that used to be good in pve now sucks because pvp players were complaining? EDIT ----- I'm seeing a lot of comments, more than I expected, and it allows me to see the two general sides to destiny. The pvp players and the pve players. And since there's two different types of players and, well, their play type. That's why it doesn't make any sense as to why crucible changes should directly affect pve changes, because if someone uses a weapon/archetype in pvp they're generally going to use the weapon differently than someone using the same type in pve. Mostly because AI and actual player which is the biggest and obvious gap between these two. And because of the AI and Player differences, which makes both game types be played completely different than each other it doesn't make any sense as to why they should be connected with buffs/nerfs Supers kind of suck in pve because they were patched in pvp Remember at launch when bladedancer was everywhere in pvp and some in pve? It got nerfed It's grenades got nerfed big time I'm not saying it's bad in pvp but it's godawful in pve Only good against tier 1 enemies but practically anyone else takes away more than half of the super That doesn't seem pretty super does it? Same goes with sunbreaker however a nerd was needed in pvp, it wasn't really needed at all in pve it was a good super But again all of this is just my opinion. I love hearing what you guys think