Thank you, I usually run Vanquisher, FR2, jolders hammer. The vanquisher has been really only good for mopping up, I'm trying to get good with TLW in PVE and try to bring it into pvp. Same with hawkmoon, I get vaporized by fusion rifles when I try to use it. I've been able to have some success with the Vex but again whenever I use it, it seems like someone with thorn, hawkmoon, or fusion rifles just own me. I think people who don't have it who complain like it's some magic gun that gives you instant wins are crazy. I'm a bit concerned about the hand cannon nerf effecting TLW since there was some crap about fast firing... I'm sure it will still be nasty though. Disengaging unfavorable encounters has helped me a lot, I watch a lot of streamers and pvp players who are very good but they will engage a fresh player while in the red, they win some but tarts usually the only time they die.