UGH don't mention LASO please. I have to do that all over again for all 4 games on MCC. /: I know what you mean. My group used to stand outside the map on the templar fight voiding the oracles. After it was patched and we did it the normal way I had the thought "this isn't too bad. why were we cheesing again?" I agree cheesing takes away the experience. But i'd still do it to make a point. I know my thinking is backwords.