I'm going to tell you what I told someone else on the forums. Go get a shotgun and a side of beef. Stand 5 to 10 feet away and shoot said side of beef. Tell me what happens. The range in game is less than 10 feet for a sure kill. So let's go to current optimum with a shotgun. Put the barrel 2 feet away from a side of beef and pull the trigger. Tell me why exactly you should live through that. Next up all players you encounter have a shotgun. This means you play pvp and nothibg but so you are speaking for the minority of players on destiny. You know how many people use a shotgun in pve. As far as I have met there are none. Why don't you go pve a good while with these weapons and classes you people want nerfed before crying like little baby back bitches