Have you ever gone into the threads for raid? I have yet to see a post other than for someone to glitch Atheon. If lover to find ONE team that will play straight. Honestly, pushing the Templar off the edge is still glitching, but its not an "easy" thing to do, it takes a team. Whereas glitching Atheon is normally done by one person... The Templar is a mid boss anyway, not a big deal. ATHEON is supposed to be the hardest Vex ever, but if one person can push out of the edge, it defeats the point.