I play PvP I love the Iron Banner and I don't have a problem with it. I haven't written one complaint about the actual mechanics, because it's not bad. It's the others who treat this PvP like it's something they have played before: an FPS. And while it is an FPS like you and I keep throwing back and forth to defend our points, the PvP multiplayer plays more like an MMORPG, and that is something a majority of the complaining player base doesn't understand. Yes I am complaining, not denying that. But it's the context of my complaints that you seem to not see. PvP as it stands and how it stood is fine with me. This isn't the next big competitive multiplayer game though, yet people seem to tie it in with one. PvP and PvE are 2 sides of the same coin, with one directly affecting the other. I don't play hunter, but if Blade Dancer gets nerfed to satisfy the PvP community, then depending on what Bungie does it could be a hard time running the raid legitimately. If my WoD gets nerfed, then sure it'll make the PvP community happy that it's weaker or doesn't last long, but really hurt us when doing certain strikes.