Killing the Templar and Atheon, is such an awesome experience. However it is sad that people who are level 29-30 have simply never killed him legit. I am not having a go at those who have pushed him off, its your game, do what you want with it. However, atheon on normal only takes about 10-15 minutes and the fight is probably the most fun I have had on destiny or any other co op game. I got asked to join a game from someone who had been trying to glitch atheon off for FOUR HOURS. That in my opinion is insane as he takes a fraction of that time to beat legit, even on hard (as long as everyone is 29-30). I am on 360, my gamertag is Raider1987, I am a level 29 warlock with only one piece of raid gear missing (the boots). I have run the raid 8 times, from start to finish without cheesing, two of those times were on hard. I love the raid, I think if you do no cheesing its the best Co Op experience available on a games console. The satisfaction of watching Atheon burst into flames can not be rivaled. If you want to do the raid, even if you are level 25 and it is your first time I have happily carried through many other players through their first raiding experience and I usually get it done in less than an hour.