The thorn and bad juju need a buff desperately. The thorn is by far the worst hand cannon i have ever used. Completely inferior to my Hawkmoon. The bad juju is so weak you are lucky to kill dregs with its 15 bullet clip. Fast rof low dmg and small clip doesnt make sense at all. Sure when you kill something you instantly reload but as i said you are lucky to kill the simplest of enemies with the 15 bullet clip.