Also, how many actual paid, third party testers were there? It seems that all their pre-release feedback came from beta testers who were gonna be in love with whatever they got ahold anyway of because they were sure the real launch would be lightyears beyond. Bungie's way behind in legitimate game design and feedback, and they'd fix it easily by putting more diverse ears in these forums. Bungie is in love with the crucible because that's all they have to play anymore. Of course their PvE advocates are stuck away behind coding screens and in meeting rooms being TOLD what to do. I bet anyone at Bungie who doesn't like the crucible is shunned.