I love them both. In all honesty I had higher expectations for P&T. The lack of any real recoil is awesome, and the scope rocks (better zoom than Icebreaker), but the "patience and time" unlock kinda killed the gun for me when I unlocked it. I was expecting an unlimited invisibility buff (until a round was fired) right now, it's just like me using blade dancer, except as soon as I de scope, I lose the buff. Kinda put me off the gun. I am of course speaking from a purely PvE use for the gun. One gripe I have with games these days, is radar in PvP. Honestly, it's the ONE thing I'd kill with fire. [spoiler]I know your thread is trolling, to annoy the little desticle fanboys, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents. :p[/spoiler]