Yeah I get you. Just returned to play renegades, actually like the campaign and theme. Even sort of enjoying 6v6 pvp snowballs🙄 But then went to portal to try and level up with solo and f me its ridiculous. So gave the new mission a go and f me backwards Played the game since start and live it but this horse--blam!- is not the way to bring the game back.

The root issue is that D2 is not a looter/shooter anymore. It's a looter/abilities game now, hence the addition of all the annoyances you mention. The reason is obvious. This game now requires more investment from the players while greatly reducing the investment by Bungie. Abilities, mechanics, puzzles and bullet sponges facilitate the recycling of existing content. Requires much less investment in the product. As Pete said "It's just business". Being the only game I play, I have tried to adapt and like it but I play less all the time for the reasons you have listed. Worse yet, there is no chance they will invest the resources required to create new destinations so this hollow shell of what D2 used to be is all we will ever see from now on. The same holds true for a D3.

In the original mission I recall a Tormentor spawning in the room with the "7m pad" as you aptly called it. Might be thinking of a different mission, but my point is it should end in that room with a Tormentor after the pad is finished. That'd be good enough for me.

Yeah it’s garbage. 18 minutes with a fairly optimized build. 9 champs including 2 barrier colossuses with miniguns shooting at you across a 45m no-man’s land during final boss stage. No additional drops compared to other solo ops for the 3x time investment. If they wanted it to be just as fast, the boss fight would just be in the second room (the one the tormentor boss fight is in in the Neomuna mission). But there’s 2 more rooms…

Titan, Stronhold Gauntlet. Praxic blade. Block from start to finish. Praxic blade is Anti Barrier. Ultimate with all the +5 and 4 modifiers you can put. You still finish before timer expires. The Boss can't damage you at all either.

hey there. i just completed a grandmaster difficulty, solo ops typhon imperator entirely out of curiosity and courtesy of your post, and i didn't encounter anything like what you describe and i'm now genuinely confused if i did something else, granted the version i did had the cabal as the enemy and not the dread. i found this mission to be remarkably pleasant and frankly a very casual experience, so i'm not sure what's going on here. my build consisted of the armamentarium as my exotic armor, and striker titan with fist of havoc, blinding grenades, thunderclap, strafe lift and towering barricade. my aspects, knockout for melee bonuses and instant health on melee kills, and touch of thunder for the additional blinding effect on grenade bounce. my fragments, spark of brilliance for further blinding capability, spark of resistance for cqc, spark of shock for general field and crowd control and spark of ions as i couldn't find any better fragment for jolt in my build, and i wanted to lean slightly into the new bolt charges for some focusing strike/momentum transfer/bolstering detonation odds and ends. as for my guns, they consisted of izanagi's burden with anti-barrier sniper from the seasonal artifact, sublimation from edge of fate's kepler, with demolitionist and explosive payload and the mistral lift from the dawning event, with reconstruction and bait and switch. these aren't the best, and certainly are far from whatever may be meta now- i'm not sure, but these worked for me within my budget of new gear to clear the avant-garde and precision weapons loadout restriction for bonus points.

BOTS! LOTS OF CRYING BOTS. This games not even that hard. I don’t care if you cry I have seen what you all said below. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👊🏻

And don't forget the RNG drop. All of this may just give you a roll on items that you don't want or need.

On my first attempt I walked into the boss room and just died. Nothing had spawned yet, no traps, just dead on the spot. I had extinction on so that was that. Even on ultimate it wasn't difficult up to that point (Actium/Choir...), just tedious (edit: Cabal version, nuts to the Dread). I haven't been bothered to try again. But... 50 minutes?!

Couldn't agree more, I've stopped playing PvE now, just playing a little PvP every now and then. I've reached 550 even though I wasn't trying to and I am not finding anything is fun. Just installed Far Cry 6 from my backlog which should keep me busy for a while.

50 minutes??? Tell me you’re joking! It took my 8 minutes

I’m sorry mate but a solo ops shouldn’t be taking 50 minutes to complete. There are a load of over powered builds in the game at the minute and whether you’re limited to this seasons weapons or not you should be able to complete one very comfortably within 10-15 minutes, some are even quicker. As for your anti-barrier issue, go and do Shaw Han’s quest in the Cosmodrome it’ll give you the Arbalest. It one shots barrier shields.

AAAAND this is exactly what I mean when I say the game is based on forcing players into higher and higher difficulty levels. Would I like to raise the LL of my gear, sure would, at 323, has antything better than what i am wearing dropped, absolutely not. I actively delete any higher LL gear unless it is absolutely better than what I am wearing. I do not place stuff in the vault for a later attempt at changing ALL of my gear in the hopes that some combination is going to work better than what I have. It is NOT worth it. If I could go back to 200 LL and press a button to lock all drops at 200 I would in a heart beat. I hate master difficulty content, and can't get it done. WHY on earth would I want to "progress" to 400 LL so I can be in even harder content? It all makes sense only from one perspective, bungie is actively trying to drive players, average, casual players away.

When I saw the "new" solo ops, I knew it would be trash. They are mindlessly adding old content to the portal and shoving everything these missions weren't designed for into them, and say "eat it," expecting players not only to stay around but to enjoy it. I'm almost sure that abomination will be the next "Salt Mines" for the next Call to Cheaters.

[quote]Solo op, easy enough right, 3 bonus drops, cool. 57 champions, takes about 50 mins, do I run anti barrier hand cannon, oh they regen before I can reload the only handcannon I have but I've nothing else & they're grims so are flying around like Pegasus up there & hiding to regen whilst I'm trying to reload & being surrounded by taken phalanx all shielding each other making themselves immune. It's stasis so doesn't proc the unstoppable kinetic perk so gotta run double primary & use polaris for unstoppable. I could use the sword but then how do I kill the tormentors & subjagators? Oh then the timer runs out so my revives disappear but I've nesrly finished right? Nope I'm only 15 mins in & only cleared 3 areas, done 3 jump puzzles backwards & dunked 19 orbs & captured a plate that had a 7 min timer , killed 47 champions & not seen 1 ammo crate anywhere. At least I've 15 revives left, oh wait, they've took them so now I'm on 0. Another 10 mins later I get to the boss, kill another 11 champions for 0 revives, get the boss to 10% then he travels further than any tornentor has ever jumped & suppresses me 200yds backwards into a hole & I get sent to orbit. It felt like an exotic mission & it's basically a story mission & exotic mission run backwards, combined. It's got every irritating aspect of destiny combined, it's way too long, way overturned, & filled with nonsense to make up for lack of quality or creativity. This is baseline content btw, GM, given they start new accs at 300 & everything levels you to 400 so 400 is the new softcap. No wonder no one sticks around.[/quote] Just tried Master Encore solo with Tormentor and Unstoppable Champions, that fu##!% Tormentor don’t miss, I’m too old to play this shi# game any longer.

Takes like 10 minutes running it for the first time. Long for a solo op, but I’m sure you can run it faster after knowing it. Edit: 10 not 20 lol

[quote]I could use the sword but then how do I kill the Tormentors & Subjagators[/quote] The Praxic Blade is anti barrier, and even though according to Bungie Rules, this should not work, You can use Solar Super setup to give Ignitions to the Praxic Blade. This will Stun Unstoppables. Sword Storm Combo disorients Tormentors for a surprisingly long time. Then Just attack them normally with the sword and continuing ignitions.