They’re outclassed by everything. In PvP- no forgiveness -pulses out range them -all other autos have faster, or more forgiving ttk -garbage hanging and recoil In PvE- yea, no. Pretty much all the same pvp reasons make them worse choices here too. Potential solutions: -add more ttk forgiveness -blanket pve buff -massively buff to base stability and range falloff. Make them a hard hitting, super accurate rifle that can compete at mid to mid-long pulse ranges. These things need A LOT of help, Bungie.