In other words, "Can you honestly say that Bungie has not already learned all of these hard lessons once before? Can you honestly say that they didn't spend the last 3 years figuring out how to create the game that they promised originally?" Even though you don't believe it, you are actually "one of those guys", because you seem to be almost okay with giving Bungie another few years to navigate the learning curve to get the game that you expected, even though Bungie already knew how to make the game we all expected, but just decided not to. Destiny at release was better than D2, if for only two reasons...a really fun and well designed raid, and the fact that it was a new novelty the first time around. The novelty helped to distract us somewhat from the other flaws initially. That is why the backlash was so strong and swift with D2. We have all seen this song and dance before.