Guinea pigs... lol. So you would rather not have a beta? That's what betas are for, not a full scale launch but gives devs an idea of where major issues may be. I really would like to hear from the gamers who have little or no problem with Destiny's pvp. Being in Hawaii, we have a hard time with MM in general. Halo 5, as an example of game with dedicated servers, is absolutely horrible for us. Distance... We are very often matched with fellow islanders in Destiny, I guess that helps a lot. But out of all the MM games we've played, it's the least problematic. Go figure.