I'm not mad at them for existing or anything. Used to hold a grudge for that black album and everything after it...minus the occasional decent tune of course. Came to understand later that Cliff made them special in my opinion. They can remember their roots but can't recreate what Cliff brought to the mix. I mean, can you imagine Cliff being caught dead near a Versace store? Or playing on Gimme Fuel Gimme Fire Gimme Doubleshotta Desiah? Or seeing a band therapist? I can't.