Here's a thought OP! Try those 2 guns out for a couple of days. I'm not saying become a meta whore, just learn the guns. See just what is actually needed to make that mid range kill with tlw. Find out just how to take advantage of the UR's perk. Then take the time to figure a strat with those guns that works with your individual play style. You will either find you actually have a bit of respect for the work really needed to be skilled with such "skill-less " guns, or have better idea of what that guy is going to have to do to kill you with those guns, thus the ability to counter them. Mind you, I must admit, it's much easier to just come in the forums and whine! P.s., I have both, learnt both to my satisfaction, counter both on occaision, die to both on occaision, hardly ever use both because I prefer other hand cannons and shotties.