[quote]Fun isn't determined by winning in every definition [/quote]fixed Of course not, in those two improbable cases you mention. But those have only happened to me twice. And those were still more fun than playing my hardest, doing everything right, earning a positive KD, yet still taking a loss because of the randoms on my team who were playing "for fun" instead of following the smart strategy, thus seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.