[quote]This is what's wrong with the community. "IF I'M GETTING NERFED SO ARE YOU!" Grow the -blam!- up. [spoiler]also both are fine[/spoiler][/quote] You've of all people should know to read my entire post. I stayed i think both are balanced and not op. But noooooo my title baited you. Here, this will makee it easier for you: [quote]TL;DR [b][i][u]Neither are op and excel in certain situations better then other subclasses. But if you proceed to call one of them op in anyway then you HAVE to consider the other one as such.[/u][/i][/b][/quote]