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3/3/2016 2:03:16 PM
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My favorite part of the bible is when god gives everyone free will and then floods the planet because we didn't act the way he wanted us to.
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Free will does not mean having the liberty to do what you want. It is knowing that you are free in Christ from death and eternal torture. God wants us to live pure and loving lives, but we can't when we're trapped in the prison cell of sin. One person I know compared sin to a prison cell dressed like a mansion. We don't want to leave at all because we are comfy and cozy here, until the doors shut and all of your pillows and pleasantries are replaced with torture devices. Back at the time of Noah, humanity was a hellhole. Murderers and rapists were running rampant and hardly anyone was faithful. Don't say that infants were innocent, because they would have live awful and torturous lives in the environment they grow up in. The only way to restore humanity to a faithful and happy life was through the flood. It was almost like God's reset. Please treat this like a legitimate conversation and don't result to insults or petty arguments. I provided a perfectly logical argument.
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Modificato da Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/15/2016 11:57:14 PMWhen you give a list of don'ts and then name the punishment, it's incredibly distorted. As is the morality that is derived from it. That's more or less just attempting to dictate behavior through fear.
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How is it distorted? You give a list of rules and then tell what will happen if you don't follow them. God also teaches us to fear him, and know his wrath if we do not obey his laws. It's not very different from a modern court. He loves us dearly, but is still a judge who must punish wrongdoing.
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Modificato da Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/16/2016 12:03:00 AMThat's imposing fear. How is that, in and of itself, moral? If someone can't tell the difference between right and wrong, they lack empathy. Not fear of something. If they are acting out of fear of personal punishment, that's a pretty selfish reason to do the right thing. Do the right thing because it's considerate(empathy). Not because you're worried about punishment. If that's the main thing keeping someone from doing what's wrong, I seriously question how good of s person they are to begin with.
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I think it was because he found [u]one[/u] man that actually had faith in him. And when Noah built the ark, everyone thought he was crazy. Then since nobody came in despite Noah's warnings, they never came in.
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I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said exactly.
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Just saying why he did flood the earth.
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Modificato da Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/15/2016 4:12:04 PMOh. I don't think that's a good reason, which is the point of my post.
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Would you like a logical and reasonable explanation as to why he flooded the earth?
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Always saw that as more of a moral lesson than an actual occurrence.
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I struggle to find genocide moral.
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Well read the -blam!-ing story, instead of regurgitating the same shit you saw someone else say.
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I'm not regurgitating anything. I have read it. Doing so only reinforced the position questioning these things led me to in the first place.
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I'm not so sure you have. I don't believe in the christian god but I can still see the morals of the story after reading it.
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Not morals. Dictation through fear. The only -ism that is worth entertaining is humanism and the only thing worth making one's religion is empathy.
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Ah well, I can tell you aren't very bright.
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Ah insults. The sign of someone with nothing significant left to contribute to the conversation.
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Why would I waste significant words on deaf ears?
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Modificato da Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/5/2016 12:04:23 AMNot deaf. In fact, opening my ears to many things has led me to what I said.
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If you say so.
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Most of the bible is to be taken as that. Idiots take it out of context.
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Modificato da Jacks0n0429: 3/3/2016 7:59:54 PMHe was judging everyone. People were doing all [b][i]Kinds[/i][/b] of horrible stuff. So he judged the earth. [spoiler]All but one man. Noah. Noah built a [b][i][u]HUGE[/u][/i][/b] ark[/spoiler] It took him over [b][i]100 YEARS[/i][/b] but he got it done. Then took two of every living thing, male and female, and put them in the ark. Along with his sons, his wife, and his son's wives.
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Doesn't make it right if there were innocents caught in that. Also, the implications of the human species propagating from that are....disturbing.
