I wondering when you were going to get into the mix. Let me first say, this is not an insult. 1) What level of difficulty do you think is appropriate in weapon use to be considered an allowable tactic? I see post like this all of the time but usually there is no explanation other than "it killed me so it nooby/OP". As I said I like a good debate but kinda hard to argue personal experience. 2) Could ya define what's a noob/OP tactic. Here, I'll go first. OP- a weapon or ability that dominates other weapons or abilities of the same class and far exceeds its intended use in most situations. If any other class strikes an opponent with their grenade AND melee ability that opponent will die. Why would smoke and vortex be any different. Hell, some grenades will straight out kill a group without any added melee if it hits right. Just trying to get you flesh out this complaint.