Yeah i mean im a big ao2 fan overall and have all 3 but you have to admit that the devils cartel, the gameplay, the story, the terrible co-op screen choice, WHILE FUN..was a huge slap in the face to day 1 fans. Salem turning, rios becoming a legless puss, alice being confirmed dead..i mean WHAT THE -blam!- O.O and we'll never know what happened to Salem. I think clydes still alive and was the "shadowy figure" but oh well. Still got fond memories of the first 2 games.