That's the point of the post here.. It is NOW as easy as a strike so the OP wants it become a raid again, make it that little bit harder :-) for example.. VOG as slightly more complex as it is, a team of 6 ToM kill Atheon in 1 run before anybody even gets close to dying? Hard? No. Time consuming? No. Fun? For the first time, yes, then no. You can't deny that Bungie's treat this community like -blam-