Right. Destiny PvP Is horrendous. Like epically bad. I don't play it. If anything it speaks volumes in favor of my knowledge of PvP because I know enough to be sure that it's terrible. I was 3.0+ in counter strike when I played that, and that game as actually exclusively about skill. No OP weapons, no power ups or supers, no PTW packs that give vehicles, no regenerative shields that reward vamping, no shit spawns that enable spawn camping. It was who can line the opponent up and put more bullets into their face. CS makes halo5 look like a preschoolers invention.