Check pve. thats where shit is getting nerfed, because of crucibabies. I dont participate in unbalanced bullshit pvp. I come from a long line of real pvp. that was balanced. Nerfs that effected pve harshly. Handcannons Shotguns. Scout rifles. Auto rifles. VEX mythoclast So yes the pve and pvp needs to be seperated. Vex was perfectly fine for pve when it was top dog. but that thing was a bitch to get. it shoulda been a little op for pve. but it got nerfed due to pvp. Balanced PVP Ultima online. Real fighting games, mortal kombat, street fighter. etc etc. (Killer instinct and KI gold was BEST balanced because of combo breakers.) Tekken. LOCO (Land of chaos online. sadly its gone now)