I couldn't care less about my grim score. I am in it to have fun. Collected every exotic and raid gear. My team has completed every challenge Bungie has graced us with. HM VoG, HM CE, 35 PoE... all done legit when they came out. But, we are never serious about it. Heck, in VoG we probably spent an hour each time just knocking each other off the jump puzzle and purposely activating gorgon stares. If I find a ghost.... than I find a ghost.... but I am probably missing between 50-60 of them. Nor will I spend my time just hunting down orges for an elusive card. Lol! Grim does not equal skill....