Thorn/TLW will still rock in PvP, man. But either way, you seem to forget that some of us are [i]PvE players[/i]. We're not upset by [i]balances[/i], because our guns will still do the same same damage [i]per bullet[/i] in PvP as they always have, so every gun is still a viable choice. In [i]PvE[/i], however, literally [i]every single piece of gear[/i] that we've collected since launch will no longer be a competitive option for PvE activities, not even our freaking [i]class items![/i] I spent 600hrs and $100+ acquiring all of my gear, and I damn well expected to continue using it competitively in ALL game modes. PvP-only players are the [i]only[/i] group who's unaffected by the lack of Ascension for Year 1 gear, despite the fact that the [i]overwhelming[/i] majority of this game's content in [i]PvE-based[/i].