Wow... The difference is Dames is EXCLUDING people solely based on gender. Similiar to how the kkk would exclude solely on race. I am not saying Dames is this pathetic but the point remains. Whether the basis for the exclusion is hate or something else the point still remains.... it is exclusive based solely on race or gender. Dad's is about fathers. I would not care about a group of Mothers. It is about parents with Children. I also would not care about a business group... These are NOT BASED SOLELY ON RACE OR GENDER. You are pathetic, sad, and Inherently stupid. You advocate exclusive groups based on gender or race without thought towards skill, personality, etc. You are weak. Finally, you cannot be in favor of groups that discriminate based SOLEY on sex or gender while also condemning others. After 100s of years of progress with women's rights... minorities.... Put on your grown up pants.